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On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:47:29 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

>> The point was, Jesus forgave a prostitute...
>
>The modern consensus is that the Magdalen (sp?) was not a prostitute.

For many years it suited the church to portray her one way.  Now it
suits it to portray her another.  Religion is like that.  Don't let it
worry you.

"Laurence Payne" <lp@laurencepayne.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:47:29 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
> <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>> The point was, Jesus forgave a prostitute...
>>
>>The modern consensus is that the Magdalen (sp?) was not a prostitute.
>
> For many years it suited the church to portray her one way.  Now it
> suits it to portray her another.  Religion is like that.  Don't let it
> worry you.

A voice of reason!

Nice to hear from you.


Too many religious folks take EVERYTHING too seriously. My own sister is 
one... 

"Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message 
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>
> "Gareth Magennis" <gareth.magennis@virginmedia.com> wrote in message 
> news:UKT0m.35119$eW2.14962@newsfe23.ams2...
>>> MJ was a tragic character who had the body of an adult with all the 
>>> natural urges but was never allowed to grow up and had the mind of a 
>>> child. People will say he was never found guilty but I know for a fact 
>>> what went on. One of my friends in LA quit a very well paid position in 
>>> his personal security because he (as a committed xtian) couldn't stomach 
>>> what was going on. He was in a catch 22 situation in that he had signed 
>>> non-disclosure agreements and would never have worked again if he'd 
>>> stated what he knew so he just walked away.
>>
>> Well it seems you and "Bonehead" are using other peoples evidence to draw 
>> your own conclusions.  I doubt this would stand up in court.
>
> It doesn't need to. I know what I know.
>
>> Have you any evidence of your own?
>
> I don't need it. The guy who told me is certainly not the sort of person 
> to make it up - respected family man, committed xtian, complete 
> professional, very active in his church/community and one of the most 
> trustworthy people I have ever met. Quiet, unassuming and certainly not 
> any kind of attention seeker. He had no reason to make anything like that 
> up and was the last person I would expect to trash-talk anyone.
>
> Believe what you want, I believe what I was told from someone who pretty 
> much lived in MJ's pocket for several years but rarely talked about it or 
> any of the other big-name security gigs he had.
>
> Phildo
>


These days I don't believe anything, Phildo.  I know that sometimes people 
are mistaken and make false assumptions.  I also know that sometimes people 
see what they want to see.  Plenty of innocent people have been executed, 
you know.  How f**king tragic is that then.

Your friend may be totally correct in his observations and conclusions, but 
he may also be tragically mistaken.   If it turns out way in the future that 
MJ was totally innocent of these accusations, how is that going to make you 
feel, having been (perhaps unwittingly) part of the rumour spreading?


Not big, and not clever, IMHO.

"liquidator" <mikeh@mad.scientist.com> wrote in message
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> "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "liquidator" <mikeh@mad.scientist.com> wrote in message
>> news:h211uu$7ri$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "Mike Dobony" <survey@stopassaultnow.net> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:6kh2k8atqhbb.15ish2any7897.dlg@40tude.net...
>>
>>>> So a child molester is your hero?  Says a lot about
>>>> you.
>>
>>> Hey a carpenter who hung around with a prostitute is
>>> yours...
>>
>> I'll bet you think they are equivalent...
>>
>> Sad. Hatred makes people say crazy things. :-(

>  You'd lose the bet.

What bet? Oh I get it liquid-brain, you are arguing with yourself!

Don't let me interrupt your fight with yourself.

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:20:03 +0100, "Gareth Magennis"
<gareth.magennis@virginmedia.com> wrote:

>If it turns out way in the future that 
>MJ was totally innocent of these accusations, how is that going to make you 
>feel, having been (perhaps unwittingly) part of the rumour spreading?

There's no way it can "turn out" anything.  There's not going to be
any new evidence. If there ever HAD been real evidence the case would
have been completed in an afternoon.   Just new opinions.

does a child molest a child ?

On Jun 26, 12:01 am, Arkansan Raider <yom...@yomama.com> wrote:
> Mike Dobony wrote:
> > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:12:33 -0400, Soundhaspriority wrote:
>
> >> He was my hero.
>
> >> "I don't really have a replacement career, it's a very gnawing thing."
>
> >> Robert Morein
> >> Dresher, PA
> >> (310) 237-6511
> >> (215) 646-4894
>
> > So a child molester is your hero?  Says a lot about you.
>
> And this helps the situation how?
>
> Didn't mommy ever teach you not to speak ill of the dead?
>
> <plonk>
>
> ---Jeff

"Laurence Payne" <lp@laurencepayne.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:20:03 +0100, "Gareth Magennis"
> <gareth.magennis@virginmedia.com> wrote:
>
>>If it turns out way in the future that
>>MJ was totally innocent of these accusations, how is that going to make 
>>you
>>feel, having been (perhaps unwittingly) part of the rumour spreading?
>
> There's no way it can "turn out" anything.  There's not going to be
> any new evidence. If there ever HAD been real evidence the case would
> have been completed in an afternoon.   Just new opinions.



What do you mean that " there's not going to be any new evidence"?    Do you 
also believe then that Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy from the library?

On Jun 26, 9:47 am, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> > The point was, Jesus forgave a prostitute...
>
> The modern consensus is that the Magdalen (sp?) was not a prostitute.

Hmmm I don't think child rape and selling ones self are on the same
level at all. IF there is a god I hope he doesn't either.

On Jun 28, 4:36 pm, Jerry Peters <je...@example.invalid> wrote:
> In rec.audio.pro dimercaprol <angshubhow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't know what the man did in his "private" life.
> > But it is interesting to see how many people here and elsewhere know
> > <i>with certainty</i> about his guilt when the jury trying him did
> > not. Suggests that people have more evidence at their disposal than
> > the jury did which is surprising considering that about 161 people
> > gave evidence at the trial (if you can believe the papers). I
> > certainly don't have more evidence than them so I will accept what the
> > jury decided.
> > Dimer
>
> IIRC, he paid off one of the victim's families so they and the victim
> wouldn't cooperate with the prosecution.
>
>         Jerry


That, and the huge legal fees he incurred while dealing with the other
lawsuits against him were some of the reasons he wasn't so wealthy
anymore. The tour he was rehearsing for was in part an attempt to
regain his financial fortunes. Sadly, the boys he abused won't be able
to get their youth or innocence back, and no amount of money can
change that.

"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in
message news:h28oqs$gm8$1@news.motzarella.org
>> No, more the flavour of the month back when the Romans
>> invented the xtian religion along with various "flavours
>> of the month" the church came up with over the centuries
>> to suit their purposes at the time.
>
> It's interesting to note the Christianity stopped being
> Christianity when it became Rome's official state
> religion. It became materialistic, lost its healing
> minstry, etc, etc, etc.

And as we all know, there never was and never will be any form of 
Christianity other than Roman Catholicism. At least, that's what some people 
seem want to believe. :-(

Reality is that Roman Catholocism is like all religions, a fabrication of 
man. Therefore, its errors and excesses should be no surprise.

BTW, contrary to another popular belief, not all non-Roman-Catholic churches 
are Protestant. Also, not all Christians are religous or attend churches. 

"Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message
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> Just something someone suggested - MJ had a whole load of
> shows booked but word was rehearsals were not going well
> and it is possible he may not have been up to doing them.
> Since there was a whole load of money riding on these
> shows maybe his death was a bit too convenient. No
> evidence yet of course but it's food for thought. His
> estate is making millions from record sales now he's dead
> and a lot of people stood to make a lot of money from his
> death or at least wouldn't lose money invested in the
> upcoming shows. Somehow I doubt this is the case but if
> the US government can get away with demolishing the twin
> towers on 9/11 (and there is no doubt in my mind that is
> exactly what happened) I suppose anything is possible.

Anybody think that the production  was insured against death, or serious 
incapacity or incarceration of the primary artist? 

"Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message 
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>
> "liquidator" <mikeh@mad.scientist.com> wrote in message 
> news:h230de$klf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message 
>> news:h22u42$7p8$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> The point was, Jesus forgave a prostitute...
>>>
>>> The modern consensus is that the Magdalen (sp?) was not a prostitute.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And your point is what?
>>
>> You believe the modern stuff and I don't?
>>
>> My religion is not based on the "flavor of the month'
>
> No, more the flavour of the month back when the Romans invented the xtian 
> religion along with various "flavours of the month" the church came up 
> with over the centuries to suit their purposes at the time.
>
> The xtian religion is the biggest and oldest confidence trick in history 
> and I am amazed that in this enlightened age people still fall for it, 
> mostly because they have been brainwashed as children, something I regard 
> as child abuse as bad as any physical or sexual abuse that occurs.
>
> Just my opinion of course.......
>
> Phildo
>

My religion isn't based on Romans either Phil... 

liquidator wrote:
> "Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message 
> news:h28ope$5c2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "liquidator" <mikeh@mad.scientist.com> wrote in message 
>> news:h230de$klf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message 
>>> news:h22u42$7p8$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> The point was, Jesus forgave a prostitute...
>>>> The modern consensus is that the Magdalen (sp?) was not a prostitute.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> And your point is what?
>>>
>>> You believe the modern stuff and I don't?
>>>
>>> My religion is not based on the "flavor of the month'
>> No, more the flavour of the month back when the Romans invented the xtian 
>> religion along with various "flavours of the month" the church came up 
>> with over the centuries to suit their purposes at the time.
>>
>> The xtian religion is the biggest and oldest confidence trick in history 
>> and I am amazed that in this enlightened age people still fall for it, 
>> mostly because they have been brainwashed as children, something I regard 
>> as child abuse as bad as any physical or sexual abuse that occurs.
>>
>> Just my opinion of course.......
>>
>> Phildo
>>
> 
> My religion isn't based on Romans either Phil... 
> 
> 

IIRC, it was actually "invented" by a Jewish carpenter.

Or rather, re-invented.

OTOH, there's some rather brainwashed atheists out there, too.

I don't believe in religion. It tends to get in the way of knowing that 
carpenter personally.

JMHSO

---Jeff

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message
> news:h28ogc$3c2$1@news.eternal-september.org
> 
>> Just something someone suggested - MJ had a whole load of
>> shows booked but word was rehearsals were not going well
>> and it is possible he may not have been up to doing them.
>> Since there was a whole load of money riding on these
>> shows maybe his death was a bit too convenient. No
>> evidence yet of course but it's food for thought. His
>> estate is making millions from record sales now he's dead
>> and a lot of people stood to make a lot of money from his
>> death or at least wouldn't lose money invested in the
>> upcoming shows. Somehow I doubt this is the case but if
>> the US government can get away with demolishing the twin
>> towers on 9/11 (and there is no doubt in my mind that is
>> exactly what happened) I suppose anything is possible.
> 
> Anybody think that the production  was insured against death, or serious 
> incapacity or incarceration of the primary artist? 
> 
> 
   Normally productions at that level are.  From what I heard on one of 
the interviews with the producers after his death was announced was that 
they had been unable to get this insurance for this series of concerts 
due to the insurance companies doubts that MJ would actually complete 
the tour.  ISTR that Jackson flaked on an earlier tour and the insurance 
carrier took a huge loss on that payout, so were reluctant to take the 
risk again.

   --Dale  (( insert he usual disclaimers about trusting the news media 
to actually get anything factually  correct. ))

Arkansan Raider wrote:
> liquidator wrote:
>> "Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message 
>> news:h28ope$5c2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "liquidator" <mikeh@mad.scientist.com> wrote in message 
>>> news:h230de$klf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message 
>>>> news:h22u42$7p8$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> The point was, Jesus forgave a prostitute...
>>>>> The modern consensus is that the Magdalen (sp?) was not a prostitute.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> And your point is what?
>>>>
>>>> You believe the modern stuff and I don't?
>>>>
>>>> My religion is not based on the "flavor of the month'
>>> No, more the flavour of the month back when the Romans invented the 
>>> xtian religion along with various "flavours of the month" the church 
>>> came up with over the centuries to suit their purposes at the time.
>>>
>>> The xtian religion is the biggest and oldest confidence trick in 
>>> history and I am amazed that in this enlightened age people still 
>>> fall for it, mostly because they have been brainwashed as children, 
>>> something I regard as child abuse as bad as any physical or sexual 
>>> abuse that occurs.
>>>
>>> Just my opinion of course.......
>>>
>>> Phildo
>>>
>>
>> My religion isn't based on Romans either Phil...
>>
> 
> IIRC, it was actually "invented" by a Jewish carpenter.
> 
> Or rather, re-invented.
> 
> OTOH, there's some rather brainwashed atheists out there, too.
> 
> I don't believe in religion. It tends to get in the way of knowing that 
> carpenter personally.
> 
> JMHSO
> 
> ---Jeff
> 
> 

What's in your carpenter's lunchbox today ?

clanker wrote:
> Arkansan Raider wrote:
>> liquidator wrote:
>>> "Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message 
>>> news:h28ope$5c2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> "liquidator" <mikeh@mad.scientist.com> wrote in message 
>>>> news:h230de$klf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message 
>>>>> news:h22u42$7p8$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> The point was, Jesus forgave a prostitute...
>>>>>> The modern consensus is that the Magdalen (sp?) was not a prostitute.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> And your point is what?
>>>>>
>>>>> You believe the modern stuff and I don't?
>>>>>
>>>>> My religion is not based on the "flavor of the month'
>>>> No, more the flavour of the month back when the Romans invented the 
>>>> xtian religion along with various "flavours of the month" the church 
>>>> came up with over the centuries to suit their purposes at the time.
>>>>
>>>> The xtian religion is the biggest and oldest confidence trick in 
>>>> history and I am amazed that in this enlightened age people still 
>>>> fall for it, mostly because they have been brainwashed as children, 
>>>> something I regard as child abuse as bad as any physical or sexual 
>>>> abuse that occurs.
>>>>
>>>> Just my opinion of course.......
>>>>
>>>> Phildo
>>>>
>>>
>>> My religion isn't based on Romans either Phil...
>>>
>>
>> IIRC, it was actually "invented" by a Jewish carpenter.
>>
>> Or rather, re-invented.
>>
>> OTOH, there's some rather brainwashed atheists out there, too.
>>
>> I don't believe in religion. It tends to get in the way of knowing 
>> that carpenter personally.
>>
>> JMHSO
>>
>> ---Jeff
>>
>>
> 
> What's in your carpenter's lunchbox today ?

I don't know. I asked but He wouldn't tell me.

---Jeff

Please take this off RAMPS.
It's so boring, and who gives a c**p about points.


On 30/06/09 9:35 AM, in article h2bj71$j3a$1@news.motzarella.org,
"liquidator" <mikeh@mad.scientist.com> wrote:

> 
> "Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message
> news:h28ope$5c2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> 
>> "liquidator" <mikeh@mad.scientist.com> wrote in message
>> news:h230de$klf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> 
>>> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:h22u42$7p8$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> The point was, Jesus forgave a prostitute...
>>>> 
>>>> The modern consensus is that the Magdalen (sp?) was not a prostitute.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> And your point is what?
>>> 
>>> You believe the modern stuff and I don't?
>>> 
>>> My religion is not based on the "flavor of the month'
>> 
>> No, more the flavour of the month back when the Romans invented the xtian
>> religion along with various "flavours of the month" the church came up
>> with over the centuries to suit their purposes at the time.
>> 
>> The xtian religion is the biggest and oldest confidence trick in history
>> and I am amazed that in this enlightened age people still fall for it,
>> mostly because they have been brainwashed as children, something I regard
>> as child abuse as bad as any physical or sexual abuse that occurs.
>> 
>> Just my opinion of course.......
>> 
>> Phildo
>> 
> 
> My religion isn't based on Romans either Phil...
> 
> 

Martin H
Lend An Ear Sound

"Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message 
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>
>if the US government can get away with demolishing the twin towers on 9/11 
>(and there is no doubt in my mind that is exactly what happened)...........

> Phildo
>

Wacko Jacko and Phildo Dildo.... 

"Dale Farmer" <dale@cybercom.net> wrote in message
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>> Anybody think that the production  was insured against
>> death, or serious incapacity or incarceration of the
>> primary artist?
>   Normally productions at that level are.  From what I
> heard on one of the interviews with the producers after
> his death was announced was that they had been unable to
> get this insurance for this series of concerts due to the
> insurance companies doubts that MJ would actually
> complete the tour.  ISTR that Jackson flaked on an
> earlier tour and the insurance carrier took a huge loss
> on that payout, so were reluctant to take the risk again.
>   --Dale  (( insert he usual disclaimers about trusting
> the news media to actually get anything factually correct. ))

Sounds pretty reasonable, except that there is little that is ultimately 
uninsurable, it usually comes down to an argument over the premiums. Many 
examples of so-called insurance are actually cost-leveling payment schemes. 
If the producers decided to self-insure, then that is one of those decisions 
they get to make. 

"APR" <I_Don't_Want@Spam.com> wrote in message
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> "Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> if the US government can get away with demolishing the
>> twin towers on 9/11 (and there is no doubt in my mind
>> that is exactly what happened)...........
>
>> Phildo
>>
>
> Wacko Jacko and Phildo Dildo...

I don't know of any wacko conspiracy theories that Phildo *hasn't*  fallen 
for. You can see how Phildo's characterization of Christianity and 9/11 
being conspiracies works for me as a Christian. 

Martin Harrington  <martin@lendanear-sound.com> wrote:
>Please take this off RAMPS.
>It's so boring, and who gives a c**p about points.

Points?  I love points!  I'd give my eyeteeth to have one tenth of a point
on any one of Michael Jackson's albums.....
--scott

-- 
"C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"APR" <I_Don't_Want@Spam.com> wrote in message 
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>
> "Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message 
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>>
>>if the US government can get away with demolishing the twin towers on 9/11 
>>(and there is no doubt in my mind that is exactly what 
>>happened)...........
>
>> Phildo
>>
>
> Wacko Jacko and Phildo Dildo....
> 

"Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message 
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>
> Somehow I doubt this is the case but if the US government can get away 
> with demolishing the twin towers on 9/11 (and there is no doubt in my mind 
> that is exactly what happened) I suppose anything is possible.
>


The key words being "in your mind"

Apparently a lot happens in there... 

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:14:58 +1000, APR <I_Don't_Want@Spam.com> wrote:

>"Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message 
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>>
>>if the US government can get away with demolishing the twin towers on 9/11 
>>(and there is no doubt in my mind that is exactly what happened)...........

>> Phildo
>>

>Wacko Jacko and Phildo Dildo.... 


I bet your four year old chums thinks that is *so clever*.

"APR" <I_Don't_Want@Spam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message
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>>
>>if the US government can get away with demolishing the twin towers on 9/11
>>(and there is no doubt in my mind that is exactly what
>>happened)...........
>
>> Phildo
>>
>
> Wacko Jacko and Phildo Dildo....

Oh dear god, this guy is so intelligent he has come up with a put-down using 
the very word my nick is a parody of in the first place. How can anyone 
counter such rapier-like wit that even the great Mr Wilde himself would 
cower in front of? Is this what decades of first cousins and siblings 
interbreeding has led mankind to?

Phildo

"APR" <I_Don't_Want@Spam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message 
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>>
>>if the US government can get away with demolishing the twin towers on 9/11 
>>(and there is no doubt in my mind that is exactly what 
>>happened)...........
>
>> Phildo
>>
>
> Wacko Jacko and Phildo Dildo....


Oh dear god, this guy is so intelligent he has come up with a put-down using 
the very word my nick is a parody of in the first place. How can anyone 
counter such rapier-like wit that even the great Mr Wilde himself would 
cower in front of? Is this what decades of first cousins and siblings 
interbreeding has led mankind to?

Phildo

"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message 
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>
> I bet your four year old chums ....


That old? 

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:16:12 +0100, Phildo <Phil@phildo.net> wrote:

>"APR" <I_Don't_Want@Spam.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message
>> news:h28ogc$3c2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>>if the US government can get away with demolishing the twin towers on 9/11
>>>(and there is no doubt in my mind that is exactly what
>>>happened)...........
>>
>>> Phildo
>>>
>>
>> Wacko Jacko and Phildo Dildo....

>Oh dear god, this guy is so intelligent he has come up with a put-down using 
>the very word my nick is a parody of in the first place. How can anyone 
>counter such rapier-like wit that even the great Mr Wilde himself would 
>cower in front of? Is this what decades of first cousins and siblings 
>interbreeding has led mankind to?

It's more indicative of a failed educational system.

"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:16:12 +0100, Phildo <Phil@phildo.net> wrote:
>
>>"APR" <I_Don't_Want@Spam.com> wrote in message
>>news:4a49e59a@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>>
>>> "Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message
>>> news:h28ogc$3c2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>>if the US government can get away with demolishing the twin towers on 
>>>>9/11
>>>>(and there is no doubt in my mind that is exactly what
>>>>happened)...........
>>>
>>>> Phildo
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wacko Jacko and Phildo Dildo....
>
>>Oh dear god, this guy is so intelligent he has come up with a put-down 
>>using
>>the very word my nick is a parody of in the first place. How can anyone
>>counter such rapier-like wit that even the great Mr Wilde himself would
>>cower in front of? Is this what decades of first cousins and siblings
>>interbreeding has led mankind to?
>
> It's more indicative of a failed educational system.

It's a two way street...lots of problems with the educational system...but a 
lot of people refuse to learn...

You can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think.... 

"Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message 
news:h2doga$jvf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
> Oh dear god, this guy is so intelligent he has come up with a put-down 
> using the very word my nick is a parody of in the first place. How can 
> anyone counter such rapier-like wit that even the great Mr Wilde himself 
> would cower in front of? Is this what decades of first cousins and 
> siblings interbreeding has led mankind to?
>
> Phildo
>
>
You certainly are the consummate peanut, Phildo. What other conspiracy 
theories have you got.......... 

On Jun 25, 6:18 pm, Mike Dobony <sur...@stopassaultnow.net> wrote:

> So a child molester is your hero?  Says a lot about you.

It doesn't say anything bad about him. You're remark is mean spirited.
I could say the same statement about you as well. But I won't.
He (MJ) was found not guilty in a US court of law. Whether he was, or
wasn't, is not for anyone to judge; specially at this point.
His lifestyle and the choices he made, are between him and God.

I've been a fan since the 70's when he was with the J5ive. He wasn't
my hero, but he was a tremendous entertainer, who brought a lot of
musical happiness to my life. That alone, is priceless for me.


-If you want to make the world a better place, take a look at yourself
and then make a change....

-He who is without distortion, let them cast the first 40+ ounce
speaker magnet.....

peace

On Jun 25, 7:18 pm, "Phildo" <P...@phildo.net> wrote:
> "Mike Dobony" <sur...@stopassaultnow.net> wrote in message
>
> news:6kh2k8atqhbb.15ish2any7897.dlg@40tude.net...
>
> > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:12:33 -0400, Soundhaspriority wrote:
>
> >> He was my hero.
>
> > So a child molester is your hero?  Says a lot about you.
>
> For once I have to agree with Bonehead.
>
> MJ was a tragic character who had the body of an adult with all the natural
> urges but was never allowed to grow up and had the mind of a child. People
> will say he was never found guilty but I know for a fact what went on. One
> of my friends in LA quit a very well paid position in his personal security
> because he (as a committed xtian) couldn't stomach what was going on. He was
> in a catch 22 situation in that he had signed non-disclosure agreements and
> would never have worked again if he'd stated what he knew so he just walked
> away.
>
> Phildo

what your statement say is; you know what your friend knows. That's
called hearsay.
The only thing I could say. He lived a peculiar lifestyle.
Spiritually speaking, we are all sinners, and we will all he held
accountable to our sins. You don't have to believe in God for this to
apply..
Figuratively and metaphorically speaking "we all have skeletons in our
closets............"
some of us have leaking electrolytic capacitors"
and some may have their speaker connections out of phase. Some may be
applying too much stylus pressure... For some, it's a ground issue.
For others it's a impedance imbalance.. and for some others... oh
never mind.. ....
peace

On Jun 25, 7:40 pm, "liquidator" <mi...@mad.scientist.com> wrote:
> "Mike Dobony" <sur...@stopassaultnow.net> wrote in message
>
> news:6kh2k8atqhbb.15ish2any7897.dlg@40tude.net...
>
>
>
> > So a child molester is your hero?  Says a lot about you.
>
> Hey a carpenter who hung around with a prostitute is yours...

Amen

On Jun 25, 7:45 pm, Soundhaspriority <nowh...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> I'm disappointed because he personally asked me to record his next tour, and
> I've been buying up equipment so that I could do so.
>
> Bob Morein
> (310) 237-6511

Rumor has it, you were also asked to perform some plastic surgeries;
but that's just hearsay....

On Jun 25, 10:34 pm, "Phildo" <P...@phildo.net> wrote:
> "Gareth Magennis" <gareth.magen...@virginmedia.com> wrote in message
>
> news:UKT0m.35119$eW2.14962@newsfe23.ams2...
>
> >> MJ was a tragic character who had the body of an adult with all the
> >> natural urges but was never allowed to grow up and had the mind of a
> >> child. People will say he was never found guilty but I know for a fact
> >> what went on. One of my friends in LA quit a very well paid position in
> >> his personal security because he (as a committed xtian) couldn't stomach
> >> what was going on. He was in a catch 22 situation in that he had signed
> >> non-disclosure agreements and would never have worked again if he'd
> >> stated what he knew so he just walked away.
>
> > Well it seems you and "Bonehead" are using other peoples evidence to draw
> > your own conclusions.  I doubt this would stand up in court.
>
> It doesn't need to. I know what I know.
>
> > Have you any evidence of your own?
>
> I don't need it. The guy who told me is certainly not the sort of person to
> make it up - respected family man, committed xtian, complete professional,
> very active in his church/community and one of the most trustworthy people I
> have ever met. Quiet, unassuming and certainly not any kind of attention
> seeker. He had no reason to make anything like that up and was the last
> person I would expect to trash-talk anyone.
>
> Believe what you want, I believe what I was told from someone who pretty
> much lived in MJ's pocket for several years but rarely talked about it or
> any of the other big-name security gigs he had.
>
> Phildo

A true committed "xtian" as you call him, should have done the right
"xtian" thing, and step forward with such accusation, without fear
(the fear of God is all you need to worry about).
I could call that person gutless and a coward, for not stopping such
claims and accusations.
Heck, a TRUE MAN or WOMAN with balls (or ovaries for her), is all that
takes to step forward, without fear of harm or lawsuits.
-as vanilla ice use to say.. "word to yooo motttthhhaa"

On Jun 25, 10:34 pm, "Phildo" <P...@phildo.net> wrote:

> Believe what you want, I believe what I was told from someone who pretty
> much lived in MJ's pocket for several years but rarely talked about it or
> any of the other big-name security gigs he had.
>
> Phildo

in his pocket, pocketing his money .....

On Jul 3, 9:07 pm, "George's Pro Sound Co." <bm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Dave" <chachaves...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f87a37a5-0fe7-4abf-bd3e-7e6349242572@y9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 25, 7:45 pm, Soundhaspriority <nowh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm disappointed because he personally asked me to record his next tour,
> > and
> > I've been buying up equipment so that I could do so.
>
> > Bob Morein
> > (310) 237-6511
>
> Rumor has it, you were also asked to perform some plastic surgeries;
> but that's just hearsay....
>
> So did ya hear about McDonalds tribute to MJ
> it is called the McJackson
> it is 50 year old meat inside of some 12 year old buns >

a happy meal no doubt?

"Dave" <chachavessel@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:f87a37a5-0fe7-4abf-bd3e-7e6349242572@y9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 25, 7:45 pm, Soundhaspriority <nowh...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> I'm disappointed because he personally asked me to record his next tour, 
> and
> I've been buying up equipment so that I could do so.
>
> Bob Morein
> (310) 237-6511

Rumor has it, you were also asked to perform some plastic surgeries;
but that's just hearsay....

So did ya hear about McDonalds tribute to MJ
it is called the McJackson
it is 50 year old meat inside of some 12 year old buns >

"Dave" <chachavessel@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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On Jul 3, 9:07 pm, "George's Pro Sound Co." <bm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Dave" <chachaves...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f87a37a5-0fe7-4abf-bd3e-7e6349242572@y9g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 25, 7:45 pm, Soundhaspriority <nowh...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm disappointed because he personally asked me to record his next tour,
> > and
> > I've been buying up equipment so that I could do so.
>
> > Bob Morein
> > (310) 237-6511
>
> Rumor has it, you were also asked to perform some plastic surgeries;
> but that's just hearsay....
>
> So did ya hear about McDonalds tribute to MJ
> it is called the McJackson
> it is 50 year old meat inside of some 12 year old buns >

a happy meal no doubt?


You're good
G 

"Dave" <chachavessel@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:add1db0c-4ae4-4ec8-9753-5908165eb026@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>His lifestyle and the choices he made, are between him and God.

Except that god doesn't exist. The whole "you will be judged when you pass 
on" is merely a way to make people behave while they are alive and do what 
the powers-that-be want them to do, usually enhanced with the threat of some 
burning pit known as hell. Of course once you die and find out it is all a 
crock it is a bit late to ask for a refund which is why religion is the 
biggest con trick in history.

Phildo 

On Jul 4, 12:34 am, "Phildo" <P...@phildo.net> wrote:

> Except that god doesn't exist. The whole "you will be judged when you pass
> on" is merely a way to make people behave while they are alive and do what
> the powers-that-be want them to do, usually enhanced with the threat of some
> burning pit known as hell.

>Of course once you die and find out it is all a
> crock it is a bit late to ask for a refund which is why religion is the
> biggest con trick in history.
>
> Phildo


Religion is one thing, a perosnal relationship with God is another.
Through prayer, etc.. Spirituality and Knowing and living a true
Christian life is another....  anyway.....

Of course once YOU die (and YOU will die eventually; like ALL of us)
and YOU find out it is all
true, that God indeed does exists, and it is a bit late to ask for a
redemption, forgiveness and be saved from eternal damnation .
So when you're in hell....
toasting like a marshmallow, -these are what I call, "examples"-
a steamed peanut,
a boiling lobster,
a hot pepper.??...no, doesn't sound right............anyway......
So, you wont be able to say I didnt tell you so...The Book of John.
Chapter 3..
(full disclosure: just in case, I have to say it, because I'll be held
accountable, if you fail to join us....)
anywho,
like a never ending steam bath,
scorching hot soup for lunch everyday for eternity....
like a barbecue, only you are the briquettes
Audio tubes (valves), but you'll be the filament.
starring at the sun ---100 feet away from it....(30 meters for you
metric folks..)
Living inside a catalytic converter....

peace

"Dave" <chachavessel@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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>Religion is one thing, a perosnal relationship with God is another.
>Through prayer, etc.. Spirituality and Knowing and living a true
>Christian life is another....  anyway.....

Agreed but why not live a good life for the sake of it instead of wrapping 
it up in fairy stories?

>Of course once YOU die (and YOU will die eventually; like ALL of us)
>and YOU find out it is all
>true, that God indeed does exists, and it is a bit late to ask for a
>redemption, forgiveness and be saved from eternal damnation .

I have died, several times, once for about 6 minutes. I had my experience 
and it is enough to know that what your religious leaders tell you are 
nothing but lies.

I am not stupid enough to fall for the con-trick that is religion. Are you? 
If you are I have a bridge in London you may be interested in 
purchasing........

Phildo 

On Jul 4, 2:32 am, "Phildo" <P...@phildo.net> wrote:
> "Dave" <chachaves...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b3cb8631-0ec5-46d8-93b4-5ddccb03adf9@d32g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> >Religion is one thing, a perosnal relationship with God is another.
> >Through prayer, etc.. Spirituality and Knowing and living a true
> >Christian life is another....  anyway.....
>
> Agreed but why not live a good life for the sake of it instead of wrapping
> it up in fairy stories?

Fine, God gave us free will. Do as you wish. Believe as you wish or
want...

In life, there are always rules. We need to follow rules and
guidelines.
There is a saying.. "go by the book" This applies to Plumbing
(assuming you DON'T want leaks in your home, or a water heater
exploding..) It applies to many other facets in life. Exercising,
Audio repair, installation and adjustments...
The constitution for our rights..... a reference manual for reapirs.
Or; A Bible!
I go by faith, and by what God speaks to me, through my "heart"
And no, I do NOT hear voices... specially coming from my involuntary
heart muscle..
I cant make you believe in anything I have just said, no matter what I
say, no matter how long this thread can take us.
The fact we are discussing this, is no coincidence. (trust me or
not...)
and I'm not selling you on anything, but only eternity.
I can only hope and pray that you will find "him" one day.
Forget the preachers on TV, the evangelist, the churches, and
buildings, and more buildings.
Life and our universe is just too perfect for it to be random. God is
multi-dimensional. 10-20-100...? ::shrug:::  A single dimension can
not see through two dimensions, and three can not see thru four, and
so on. Yet, three can see two, and two can see one....
We (or I) could not possibly comprehend; the how and why
I see it this way. One day "they'll" (the trio) will  explain it to
me, and I'll say "OHHHH, so that's why!!! !!!" DAAAANNGGGG!!!
Each day, the so called "scientist" are correcting their previous
theories and hypothesis .. (poor Pluto!:)
Once again, we could go on and on; and there is absolutely NOTHING I
can say that will convince you.. I am not here to recruit anyone. I
can only plant a seed, that will hopeful grow, and one day God will
reach out to you, in a way that is indescribable .. Or you will reach
out for him!!!!... (remember, there are no atheist in foxhole)



>
> >Of course once YOU die (and YOU will die eventually; like ALL of us)
> >and YOU find out it is all
> >true, that God indeed does exists, and it is a bit late to ask for a
> >redemption, forgiveness and be saved from eternal damnation .
>
> I have died, several times, once for about 6 minutes. I had my experience
> and it is enough to know that what your religious leaders tell you are
> nothing but lies.

No, you haven't died yet, or else you would not be typing .. I can
only assume what you mean by that. and that certainly does NOT qualify
as death. Death is... Death is when A Doctor or a coroner, signs a
death certificate.


>
> I am not stupid enough to fall for the con-trick that is religion. Are you?
> If you are I have a bridge in London you may be interested in
> purchasing........
>
> Phildo


I'm not stupid enough to believe that when I die. I'm dead and gone,
and that's the and of me..
All of this for nothing??? C'mon-Man!
If that were the case, why even bother to exist, or keep on living??
I'd end it right now if that were the case! Im not sure how your life
has been, but mine hasn't been the easiest... (like billions in this
planet)
Life is VERY hard.. Life is cut throat (no pun) it's a struggle, it's
painful, its sad... Example: We can see it right here in these
threads... This newsgroup is about "alt.audio.pro.live-sound" (RIGHT?
echo, echoooo:)
 A thread starts about MJ and it turns to accusations, cursing,
anger...conspiracy theories.. from MJ to 9-11, and two days from now;
it could be about UFO's, or why Carver (sunfire) is the best darn
Audio equipment in world !!! (cough..cough....:)

What makes life worth living for me, and TRULY gives me joy and
happiness, is I know where I'm going after it all ends...
And that Joy, I wish it to you as well.

Peace
Peace.

"Phildo" <Phil@phildo.net> wrote in message 
news:h2mt9t$b62$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
> I have died, several times,
> Phildo
I can believe that. Has your brain come back to life yet ??

I think I understand now. What other good conspiracy theories do you have 

"Dave" <chachavessel@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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On Jul 4, 2:32 am, "Phildo" <P...@phildo.net> wrote:
>I go by faith,

Fine.

And it's fine what anybody else believes.

Just shaddup about it.

As I states previously, evangelism should be a hanging offense.

Religious nuts are just like drug addicts trying to get others addicted.

Again, if you read my posts. I generally believe in God, and do a lot of 
work with churches.

But I get disgusted when I see a church based operation make a starving man 
listen to a sermon before they feed him. If he's hungry, feed him. Then let 
it be his choice if he wants to listen.

Saw a great bumper sticker: "Lord, save me from your followers."

Pretty much sums up my attitude. 

"Dave" <chachavessel@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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On Jul 4, 2:32 am, "Phildo" <P...@phildo.net> wrote:
>I go by faith,

Fine.

And it's fine what anybody else believes.

Just shaddup about it.

As I states previously, evangelism should be a hanging offense.

Religious nuts are just like drug addicts trying to get others addicted.

Again, if you read my posts. I generally believe in God, and do a lot of 
work with churches.

But I get disgusted when I see a church based operation make a starving man 
listen to a sermon before they feed him. If he's hungry, feed him. Then let 
it be his choice if he wants to listen.

Saw a great bumper sticker: "Lord, save me from your followers."

Pretty much sums up my attitude. 

"George's Pro Sound Co." <bmoas@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:oZqdnXLeJt5wpdLXnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
> "Dave" <chachavessel@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:b3cb8631-0ec5-46d8-93b4-5ddccb03adf9@d32g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 4, 12:34 am, "Phildo" <P...@phildo.net> wrote:
>
>> Except that god doesn't exist. The whole "you will be judged when you 
>> pass
>> on" is merely a way to make people behave while they are alive and do 
>> what
>> the powers-that-be want them to do, usually enhanced with the threat of 
>> some
>> burning pit known as hell.
>
>>Of course once you die and find out it is all a
>> crock it is a bit late to ask for a refund which is why religion is the
>> biggest con trick in history.
>>
>> Phildo
>
>
> Religion is one thing, a perosnal relationship with God is another.
> Through prayer, etc.. Spirituality and Knowing and living a true
> Christian life is another....  anyway.....
>
> Of course once YOU die (and YOU will die eventually; like ALL of us)
> and YOU find out it is all
> true, that God indeed does exists, and it is a bit late to ask for a
> redemption, forgiveness and be saved from eternal damnation .
> So when you're in hell....
> toasting like a marshmallow, -these are what I call, "examples"-
> a steamed peanut,
> a boiling lobster,
> a hot pepper.??...no, doesn't sound right............anyway......
> So, you wont be able to say I didnt tell you so...The Book of John.
> Chapter 3..
> (full disclosure: just in case, I have to say it, because I'll be held
> accountable, if you fail to join us....)
> anywho,
> like a never ending steam bath,
> scorching hot soup for lunch everyday for eternity....
> like a barbecue, only you are the briquettes
> Audio tubes (valves), but you'll be the filament.
> starring at the sun ---100 feet away from it....(30 meters for you
> metric folks..)
> Living inside a catalytic converter....
>
> peace
>
>
> So which is the real final outcome
> Burn in hell, live on a cloud constantly reinforcing the ego of some "god" 
> that created you for the sole reason of praising him, get reincarnated and 
> live again moveing twards nirvana, or decomposing into basic elements and 
> furthering the circle of life  that will grow from your decay
> please cite  proof of your stand.
>
> Please leave your faith at the door when you enter
> it is offensive, regardless of what faith it is
>
> Top Ten Signs You're a  Christian
>
> 10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by 
> other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of 
> yours.
>
> 9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people 
> evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical 
> claim that we were created from dirt.
>
> 8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a 
> Triune God.
>
> 7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to 
> Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah 
> slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the 
> elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, 
> and trees!
>
> 6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about 
> gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy 
> Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, 
> came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
>
> 5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the 
> scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find 
> nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen 
> sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
>
> 4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the 
> exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all 
> rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And 
> yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
>
> 3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have 
> failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor 
> speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" 
> Christianity.
>
> 2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered 
> prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think 
> that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
>
> 1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about 
> the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a 
> Christian
>
>


Well done george.

I don't mind Christians, just Christian hypocrites...the problem is they are 
legion.


But in all honesty, I have met some very loving,caring people who devoted 
their lives to helping mankind...

Take a look at Mother Teresa for instance, many lives were improved because 
of her...

 But many could care less about bettering man's lot here, just get his cash 
and promise him an afterlife...

Pie in the sky IOW. 

On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 07:11:19 -0700, "George's Pro Sound Co."
<bmoas@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Dave" <chachavessel@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>news:b3cb8631-0ec5-46d8-93b4-5ddccb03adf9@d32g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>On Jul 4, 12:34 am, "Phildo" <P...@phildo.net> wrote:
>
>> Except that god doesn't exist. The whole "you will be judged when you pass
>> on" is merely a way to make people behave while they are alive and do what
>> the powers-that-be want them to do, usually enhanced with the threat of 
>> some
>> burning pit known as hell.
>
>>Of course once you die and find out it is all a
>> crock it is a bit late to ask for a refund which is why religion is the
>> biggest con trick in history.
>>
>> Phildo
>
>
>Religion is one thing, a perosnal relationship with God is another.
>Through prayer, etc.. Spirituality and Knowing and living a true
>Christian life is another....  anyway.....
>
>Of course once YOU die (and YOU will die eventually; like ALL of us)
>and YOU find out it is all
>true, that God indeed does exists, and it is a bit late to ask for a
>redemption, forgiveness and be saved from eternal damnation .
>So when you're in hell....
>toasting like a marshmallow, -these are what I call, "examples"-
>a steamed peanut,
>a boiling lobster,
>a hot pepper.??...no, doesn't sound right............anyway......
>So, you wont be able to say I didnt tell you so...The Book of John.
>Chapter 3..
>(full disclosure: just in case, I have to say it, because I'll be held
>accountable, if you fail to join us....)
>anywho,
>like a never ending steam bath,
>scorching hot soup for lunch everyday for eternity....
>like a barbecue, only you are the briquettes
>Audio tubes (valves), but you'll be the filament.
>starring at the sun ---100 feet away from it....(30 meters for you
>metric folks..)
>Living inside a catalytic converter....
>
>peace
>

Funny, isn't it, how God completely forgot to make the slightest
mention of Hell throughout the entire bible, and it wasn't until
Christians started to add their disgusting filth to it that the
concept even got a mention.

d

"Dave" <chachavessel@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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On Jul 4, 12:34 am, "Phildo" <P...@phildo.net> wrote:

> Except that god doesn't exist. The whole "you will be judged when you pass
> on" is merely a way to make people behave while they are alive and do what
> the powers-that-be want them to do, usually enhanced with the threat of 
> some
> burning pit known as hell.

>Of course once you die and find out it is all a
> crock it is a bit late to ask for a refund which is why religion is the
> biggest con trick in history.
>
> Phildo


Religion is one thing, a perosnal relationship with God is another.
Through prayer, etc.. Spirituality and Knowing and living a true
Christian life is another....  anyway.....

Of course once YOU die (and YOU will die eventually; like ALL of us)
and YOU find out it is all
true, that God indeed does exists, and it is a bit late to ask for a
redemption, forgiveness and be saved from eternal damnation .
So when you're in hell....
toasting like a marshmallow, -these are what I call, "examples"-
a steamed peanut,
a boiling lobster,
a hot pepper.??...no, doesn't sound right............anyway......
So, you wont be able to say I didnt tell you so...The Book of John.
Chapter 3..
(full disclosure: just in case, I have to say it, because I'll be held
accountable, if you fail to join us....)
anywho,
like a never ending steam bath,
scorching hot soup for lunch everyday for eternity....
like a barbecue, only you are the briquettes
Audio tubes (valves), but you'll be the filament.
starring at the sun ---100 feet away from it....(30 meters for you
metric folks..)
Living inside a catalytic converter....

peace


So which is the real final outcome
Burn in hell, live on a cloud constantly reinforcing the ego of some "god" 
that created you for the sole reason of praising him, get reincarnated and 
live again moveing twards nirvana, or decomposing into basic elements and 
furthering the circle of life  that will grow from your decay
please cite  proof of your stand.

Please leave your faith at the door when you enter
it is offensive, regardless of what faith it is

Top Ten Signs You're a  Christian

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other 
religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people 
evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical 
claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune 
God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to 
Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah 
slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination 
of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about 
gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy 
Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, 
came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the 
scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find 
nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting 
in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception 
of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival 
sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet 
consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed 
to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking 
in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered 
prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think 
that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about 
the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a 
Christian

"Dave" <chachavessel@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> A true committed "xtian" as you call him, should have
> done the right "xtian" thing, and step forward with such
> accusation, without fear (the fear of God is all you need
> to worry about).

That is a good point. However, I wouldn't pass judgment without knowing what 
he actually knew for a fact.

In this case we have very indirect evidence, hearsay evidence from a 
generally unreliable source - Phildo.