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Article #160Re: Any Sony CD Guru out there?
From: Harry Lavo
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:01
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:01
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"Howard Ferstler" <ferstle@attglobal.net> wrote in message news:42DC1FB4.FFAF6126@attglobal.net... <snip< > How could this be? With the ABX protocol the participant, be > he blessed with my point of view or with yours, can compare > A and B openly, knowing exactly which is which. With the > switch to X he can then decide if X sounds like A or B, both > of which, as I noted can be known by the participant. The > ABX test is both a blind and sighted test at the same time. > > This participant can indeed be like me and be generally > predisposed to believe that differences will not be audible. > That may make you feel smug, but how do you explain the > failure of those who think they CAN hear differences prior > to taking the test not being able to hear those differences > blind? They had expectation effects that were just the > opposite of those you claim prejudice the tests in favor of > differences not being audible. > It's very simple, Howard. The test gets in the way of how the ear/brain combine normally listens to music. It uses the left brain "comparative" as opposed to the right brain (and primitive brain's) basically sensate response to music...and it is this part of the brain that would have to respond differently if it is to detect a difference in reproducing music. Moreover, it can only do this in context, which quick-switch, comparative switching tends to destroy. So we have a test that those who don't think there are difference doen't really think too hard about, because it gives them the answer they want. And a test that makes it difficult to hear much in the way of differences reproducing music EXCEPT for those that are loudness based (and even then it is not as sensitive as white noise). So it is not only useless but misleading as a test for evaluating audio equipment.
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