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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:20:31 -0400, "Clyde Slick"
<YustabeSlim@comcast.net> wrote:

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>"Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message 
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>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:51:42 -0400, "Clyde Slick"
>> <YustabeSlim@comcast.net> wrote:
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>>>"Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:45:15 -0400, "Clyde Slick"
>>>> <YustabeSlim@comcast.net> wrote:
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>>>>>"Howard Ferstler" <ferstle@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>> Clyde Slick wrote:
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>>>>>>> "Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:eqm6d1p2dotgtu1j7vhck3gie5t6sbs3qk@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> > On 11 Jul 2005 17:27:35 -0700, calcerise@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> Arny isn't too keen on actually listening to audio products, since
>>>>>>> >>they should all sound the same according to tests.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >In level-matched blind listening tests, these three
>>>>>>> > players sound identical - as any reasonable person would expect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Damn it, there are those pesky expectation effects again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are just trying to rationalize the fact that you simply
>>>>>> must have something exotic and esoteric to believe in. (That
>>>>>> this involves audio gear and not some kind of religious
>>>>>> deity and a need for salvation shows a monumental smallness
>>>>>> of mind.) That you place expectation effects higher up on
>>>>>> the scale than simply not hearing differences during a DBT
>>>>>> says more about you as a true believer than it does about
>>>>>> any kind of audio gear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Take a good look at the test methodology, it only accounts
>>>>>for eliminating one side of the expectation effects, the expectation
>>>>>that there will be differences. It does not address eliminating
>>>>>expectation
>>>>>effects, based upon an expectation that they will sound the same. Thus,
>>>>>this so-called "unbiased" test is actually quite biased towards
>>>>>producing your "expected" results.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. Those tests are taken by people from both sides of the
>>>> fence. The results are the same, only the reactions vary! :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>That they are taken by people from both sides is irrelevant.
>>>Its the test design  that skews the results, so that they tend to
>>>be the same
>>
>> Still the same old mantra, eh Sackman? The results do indeed tend to
>> be the same. That's because most decent equipment really does sound
>> the same, whatever guillible fools like you would like to believe.
>>
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>Sure, it sounds the same to people who have
>preconceived notions that it will sound the same. 

It also sounds the same to gullible fools - they just refuse to
believe it, and shell out for fancy nameplates. It's a bit like the
idiots who buy 'designer label' plain white T-shirts for $40.

BTW, the guy who owns the Meridian wasn't best pleased the first time
he came round to 'blow away' my ancient Sony player - but he had the
grace to acknowledge sonic defeat, and still takes pride in the
beautiful casework and immaculate engineering quality of his 588. It's
only the *real* clowns like sad Sackman who deny reality.
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering