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"Fella" <nosp@m.here> wrote in message
news:%_pBe.4626$qp6.2187@reader1.news.jippii.net
> Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:58:40 +0300, Fella <nosp@m.here>
wrote:
>>
>> Most modern R&D in amps and CD players is
>> biased towards cost reduction. That's why my 'Chinky
cheapy'
>> Pioneer DV-575A will play any kind of silver disc while
>> providing sound quality identical to that of a SOTA
>> 'audiophile brand' CD player.
>
>
> I've tried to dissect this little statement of yours up
there.
> Just made no sense to me. So modern r&d amps (what's an
"r&d"
> amp? Research and development amp?

Obviously Fella you are out of your mind because your
purported quotes from Pinkerton are dropping words all over
the place.

Pinkerton didn't say "r&d amps", that's something you made
up.

What Pinkerton did say is "r&d in amps", IOW research and
development in amplifiers.

>What is that?) and CD  players *"is"* biased towards
> cost reduction and this gives your pioneer dvd player
exactly
> the same sound as a naim, for instance.. Hmm... How does
that
> work out?

The way it works out is that most modern CD players preform
very well, and you don't have to spend kilobucks to get a
good one.

>> If you've really been there and done that, you'll know
that
>> they really do work.

> If your sense of "work" means that they curtain enough
detail,where
> real consequential differences lie, plus the "test"
situation,
> and make everything sound the same, then yes, they do
work.

Fella, if you believe that a good optical player like the
one that Pinkerton mentions has an audible fault where it
will "curtain enough detail", then you haven't been
listening very closely.

>>> This *is* about envy with you low-income nerd types,
isn't
>>> it? You imagine your yamaha metallic sound $120 receiver
as
>>> sounding the same as some $5000 BAT integrated amp, yes?
>>> That's how you are able to consume that edgy, glaringly
>>> digital, transistor sound you get from your piece of
shit
>>> gear.

> Pace, rhythm and timing? Yes, when done correctly, always
a
> good thing.

Pace, rhythm and timing is what musicans do, and what
recording engineers sometimes modify. It's not a property of
amplifiers or CD players.

>> See my page here: http://www.lurcher.org/ukra/

> But wait a sec.. You say:

> "Interconnects are home-brewed unshielded twisted pair
made
> from 0.6mm solid-core Teflon-coated silver-clad OFHC
copper
> (just standard MIL-spec hookup wire), while connectors are
> either Neutrik  XLR or Deltron Teflon/alloy RCA jacks."
>
> What's that? Solid core silver
clad-OFHC-copper-teflon-bla-bla
> bla??! WIRE IS WIRE!! As dumbmika would put it.

Wire is wire as Pinkerton would say it. Thing is, he has
this stuff in his system, and he freely admits that it has
no magic properties.

> And what? "Sony CDP715E � a curious player, not a
�flagship�
> by any means, but it brought together all Sony�s best CD
chips
> in a way not really improved" bla bla..

And with that player in hand, Pinkerton tells one and all
that a low cost player works as well.
> No but seriously, you should think more about speaker
> placement, your "rack" seems to get in the way. :) You
should
> get yourself a decent

> rack, too, btw.  And.. Yes, you owe yourself this
audition:

> http://www.bladelius.com/freja.html

Given that low cost players can provide facsimile
reproduction of CDs, based on comparison of CD playback on a
good low cost player as compared to the digital file used to
make the CD being played, exactly what is one supposed to do
that would be better?


> Just get this (though dunno if you _can_ where you live,
> wherever that might be, who cares! if not get a Linn
univesal
> player) and hook it up. You *will* hear an abundance of
all
> kinds of differences... ALL for the better!

Tell us about your level-matched, time-synched, blind
listening tests, Fella.

> Don't mess with  any DBT sessions to verify this though.

IOW Fella you want us to check our brains at the door and
act like the kind of fool you are here?

>JUST TRUST YOUR  FRIGGIN EARS FERCHRISSAKES!

So Fella you don't get the fact that DBTs are exactly about
trusting our ears?

>Do you do a DBT when you eat some  better tasting meal at a
gourmet restaurant? NO! You sit there  and eat it.

There is no controversy over the idea that different foods
in different resturants taste different.

There is a controversy over whether or not CD players sound
different.

Do you get the difference?


>> Piece of shit gear? I don't think so................

> So why don't you use some $200 yamaha integrated amp (or
> whatever the fuck they might cost arny!) as an amp? Level
> matched and fixed volume  and all that they all sound the
same?

Fact of the matter is that I do a fair amount of listening
to a $80 Pioneer SX205 receiver.

> What's with that  "exotic" amp? "krell" ?? Ain't never
heard of no "kkrelll" in
> circuitcity, haha! (or wherever the fuck you should be
getting
> your electronics from)..

I also have a number of so-called *better* amps, and you are
right - they all pretty much sound the same.