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Re: Any Sony CD Guru out there?

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From: Stewart Pinkerton
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:39
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On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:48:10 -0400, "Clyde Slick"
<YustabeSlim@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>"Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message 
>news:97c9d1hmhthem3b89f02jiphm8ahgj4mqm@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:13:32 -0400, "Clyde Slick"
>> <YustabeSlim@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Harry Lavo" <hlavo@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:3t2dnYqMZtkjVU7fRVn-tg@comcast.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Clyde Slick" <YustabeSlim@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:42d36070$1_2@spool9-east.superfeed.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eqm6d1p2dotgtu1j7vhck3gie5t6sbs3qk@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On 11 Jul 2005 17:27:35 -0700, calcerise@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arny isn't too keen on actually listening to audio products, since
>>>>>>>they should all sound the same according to tests.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In level-matched blind listening tests, these three
>>>>>> players sound identical - as any reasonable person would expect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Damn it, there are those pesky expectation effects again.
>>>>
>>>> Clyde, don't you know that "expectation effects" only apply to those of 
>>>> us
>>>> who disagree?  Has nothing to do with those who *know* there is no
>>>> difference.  :-)
>>>
>>>And the abx test removes our expectations, yet leaves their expectations 
>>>in.
>>>It is a more biased test than subjective listening!!!
>>>ABX is hideously flawed.
>>
>> Bullshit. What you mean is that ABX doesn't support your absolute
>> knowledge that 'high-end' designer label gear *must* sound better than
>> 'Chinky cheapies'.
>> -- 
>>
>It doesn't support it because it is inherently designed
>to purposefully support the opposite conclusion.
>It is NOT a neutral test. It does not remove
>the expectation effects of those who
>have preconceived notions that there are no differences.

Clearly you have no idea that these tests are used every day by major
audio manufacturers, for the precise purpose of *revealing* small but
real audible differences made by their R&D guys. Cretin.

-- 

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering
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From: Stewart Pinkerton <patent3@dircon.co.uk>
Newsgroups: rec.audio.tech,rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.opinion,aus.hi-fi
Subject: Re: Any Sony CD Guru out there?
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:39:39 +0000 (UTC)
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