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"Clyde Slick" <YustabeSlim@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote in
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>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:51:42 -0400, "Clyde Slick"
>> <YustabeSlim@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote in
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>>>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:45:15 -0400, "Clyde Slick"
>>>> <YustabeSlim@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Howard Ferstler" <ferstle@attglobal.net> wrote in
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>>>>>> Clyde Slick wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>> message
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>>>>>>>> On 11 Jul 2005 17:27:35 -0700,
calcerise@hotmail.com
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Arny isn't too keen on actually listening to audio
>>>>>>>>> products, since they should all sound the same
>>>>>>>>> according to tests.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In level-matched blind listening tests, these three
>>>>>>>> players sound identical - as any reasonable person
>>>>>>>> would expect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Damn it, there are those pesky expectation effects
again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are just trying to rationalize the fact that you
>>>>>> simply must have something exotic and esoteric to
believe
>>>>>> in. (That this involves audio gear and not some kind
of
>>>>>> religious deity and a need for salvation shows a
>>>>>> monumental smallness of mind.) That you place
expectation
>>>>>> effects higher up on the scale than simply not
hearing
>>>>>> differences during a DBT says more about you as a
true
>>>>>> believer than it does about any kind of audio gear.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Take a good look at the test methodology, it only
accounts
>>>>> for eliminating one side of the expectation effects,
the
>>>>> expectation that there will be differences. It does
not
>>>>> address eliminating expectation
>>>>> effects, based upon an expectation that they will
sound
>>>>> the same. Thus, this so-called "unbiased" test is
actually
>>>>> quite biased towards producing your "expected"
results.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. Those tests are taken by people from both
sides
>>>> of the fence. The results are the same, only the
reactions
>>>> vary! :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> That they are taken by people from both sides is
irrelevant.
>>> Its the test design  that skews the results, so that
they
>>> tend to be the same
>>
>> Still the same old mantra, eh Sackman? The results do
indeed
>> tend to be the same. That's because most decent equipment
>> really does sound the same, whatever guillible fools like
you
>> would like to believe.
>>
>
> Sure, it sounds the same to people who have
> preconceived notions that it will sound the same.

I just showed how we can use ABX tests to identify people
who are prone towards false negatives.