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"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message 
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> "Clyde Slick" <YustabeSlim@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> "Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote in
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>>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:51:42 -0400, "Clyde Slick"
>>> <YustabeSlim@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote in
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>>>>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:45:15 -0400, "Clyde Slick"
>>>>> <YustabeSlim@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Howard Ferstler" <ferstle@attglobal.net> wrote in
> message
>>>>>> news:42D47BFB.8C63757F@attglobal.net...
>>>>>>> Clyde Slick wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>> news:eqm6d1p2dotgtu1j7vhck3gie5t6sbs3qk@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On 11 Jul 2005 17:27:35 -0700,
> calcerise@hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Arny isn't too keen on actually listening to audio
>>>>>>>>>> products, since they should all sound the same
>>>>>>>>>> according to tests.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In level-matched blind listening tests, these three
>>>>>>>>> players sound identical - as any reasonable person
>>>>>>>>> would expect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Damn it, there are those pesky expectation effects
> again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are just trying to rationalize the fact that you
>>>>>>> simply must have something exotic and esoteric to
> believe
>>>>>>> in. (That this involves audio gear and not some kind
> of
>>>>>>> religious deity and a need for salvation shows a
>>>>>>> monumental smallness of mind.) That you place
> expectation
>>>>>>> effects higher up on the scale than simply not
> hearing
>>>>>>> differences during a DBT says more about you as a
> true
>>>>>>> believer than it does about any kind of audio gear.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take a good look at the test methodology, it only
> accounts
>>>>>> for eliminating one side of the expectation effects,
> the
>>>>>> expectation that there will be differences. It does
> not
>>>>>> address eliminating expectation
>>>>>> effects, based upon an expectation that they will
> sound
>>>>>> the same. Thus, this so-called "unbiased" test is
> actually
>>>>>> quite biased towards producing your "expected"
> results.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit. Those tests are taken by people from both
> sides
>>>>> of the fence. The results are the same, only the
> reactions
>>>>> vary! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That they are taken by people from both sides is
> irrelevant.
>>>> Its the test design  that skews the results, so that
> they
>>>> tend to be the same
>>>
>>> Still the same old mantra, eh Sackman? The results do
> indeed
>>> tend to be the same. That's because most decent equipment
>>> really does sound the same, whatever guillible fools like
> you
>>> would like to believe.
>>>
>>
>> Sure, it sounds the same to people who have
>> preconceived notions that it will sound the same.
>
> I just showed how we can use ABX tests to identify people
> who are prone towards false negatives.
>
> 



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