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"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message 
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>>>>> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:51:42 -0400, "Clyde Slick"
>>>>> <YustabeSlim@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote in
>>> message
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>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:45:15 -0400, "Clyde Slick"
>>>>>>> <YustabeSlim@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Howard Ferstler" <ferstle@attglobal.net> wrote in
>>> message
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>>>>>>>>> Clyde Slick wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote
> in
>>>>>>>>>> message
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>>>>>>>>>>> On 11 Jul 2005 17:27:35 -0700,
>>> calcerise@hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arny isn't too keen on actually listening to
> audio
>>>>>>>>>>>> products, since they should all sound the same
>>>>>>>>>>>> according to tests.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In level-matched blind listening tests, these
> three
>>>>>>>>>>> players sound identical - as any reasonable
> person
>>>>>>>>>>> would expect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Damn it, there are those pesky expectation effects
>>> again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are just trying to rationalize the fact that
> you
>>>>>>>>> simply must have something exotic and esoteric to
>>> believe
>>>>>>>>> in. (That this involves audio gear and not some
> kind
>>> of
>>>>>>>>> religious deity and a need for salvation shows a
>>>>>>>>> monumental smallness of mind.) That you place
>>> expectation
>>>>>>>>> effects higher up on the scale than simply not
>>> hearing
>>>>>>>>> differences during a DBT says more about you as a
>>> true
>>>>>>>>> believer than it does about any kind of audio gear.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Take a good look at the test methodology, it only
>>> accounts
>>>>>>>> for eliminating one side of the expectation effects,
>>> the
>>>>>>>> expectation that there will be differences. It does
>>> not
>>>>>>>> address eliminating expectation
>>>>>>>> effects, based upon an expectation that they will
>>> sound
>>>>>>>> the same. Thus, this so-called "unbiased" test is
>>> actually
>>>>>>>> quite biased towards producing your "expected"
>>> results.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit. Those tests are taken by people from both
>>> sides
>>>>>>> of the fence. The results are the same, only the
>>> reactions
>>>>>>> vary! :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That they are taken by people from both sides is
>>> irrelevant.
>>>>>> Its the test design  that skews the results, so that
>>> they
>>>>>> tend to be the same
>>>>>
>>>>> Still the same old mantra, eh Sackman? The results do
>>> indeed
>>>>> tend to be the same. That's because most decent
> equipment
>>>>> really does sound the same, whatever guillible fools
> like
>>> you
>>>>> would like to believe.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sure, it sounds the same to people who have
>>>> preconceived notions that it will sound the same.
>>>
>>> I just showed how we can use ABX tests to identify people
>>> who are prone towards false negatives.
>>>

Sure!, of other items that are not the units being compared.
You might as well pretest them on the taste of toothpaste. 



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