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Trevor Wilson wrote:
> 
> "Howard Ferstler" <ferstle@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:42D46A8B.C7700190@attglobal.net...

> > At least I am not a low-life con artist who sells people a
> > bill of goods when it comes to the so-called sound of
> > upscale amps and exotic wires.

> **Would you care to phrase that in English?

You con people. In addition, you may also be conning
yourself. I do not know which is worse.
 
> >> Is that opposed to retired
> >> librarians who imagine that a short circuit offers zero Ohms resistance?

> > Close enough to zero to essentially shunt all of an amp's
> > audible output around the speaker load and shut the amp
> > down.
 
> **That is not what you stated previously. Do you now admit that a short
> circuit is not zero Ohms?

As one real expert posted previously, yes, it is not zero
ohms. But for all practical purposes, when it is in parallel
with a speaker load it might as well be zero.

> >> Is
> >> that opposed to retired librarians who have no idea how the protection
> >> systems operate in domestic (or any other) amplifiers?

> > At least I do not claim that one's own, specially built
> > amplifier has mysterious qualities that make it sound better
> > than other, decently built versions.
 
> **Good. Nor do I. There is absolutely nothing mysterious about the
> amplifiers I referred you to. 

Good. That means they sound like all other good amps, at
least up to their respective clipping levels. If you say
otherwise, you are a con artist.

> Nothing whatsoever. Just good, solid
> engineering. Oops, I forgot. You don't have a clue about how amplifiers
> actually work, do you? ALL amplifiers are a mystery to you.

I know enough about them to realize that when somebody like
you claims that a super-duper amp he is dealing with sounds
superior to all others that individual is pulling a sales
scam.

> Some of us,
> however, have some education into the functioning of electronic equipment. 

Maybe so. However, additional education in the realms of
both common sense and ethics would not hurt.

> I
> suggest you get off your butt and do likewise. After you've spent 4 years
> studying electronics and 30 odd years with hands on experience, we'll be
> able to converse at the same level.

How many additional years of con-artist training will I need
to be as good at the job as you?
 
> >> Is that opposed to
> >> retired librarians who have no understanding of Thevenin's Theorem?

> > At least I do not claim that exotic speaker wires have an
> > audible advantage over thick lamp cord.

> **Of course you don't! You're an idiot. I've patiently explained how SOME
> cables can affect SOME loudspeakers in SOME systems, many times. 

Yeah, when the speakers are 100 yards from the amp.

>  At least I do not
> > con people into believing the audio equivalent of the tooth
> > fairy.
 
> **Sure you do. You rave about the books you write. 

Interestingly, so have others raved about them. In any case,
getting into a insult-trading contest here is doing you a
hell of a lot more damage than it is doing me.

> Yet you have no in-depth
> knowledge about the topic. 

I know enough to be able to spot a con artist in action.
Given that this series of posts is being read in Australia,
are you sure you care to continue?

> All you understand is the superficial stuff.

For guys like you, amp and wire scams are "superficial
stuff."

> >> You and your comments lack any kind of credibility.

> > This, from a guy who claims that his special amp (or one
> > that he sells, since I do not believe he designed it) has
> > qualities that set it apart from all other decently designed
> > versions. Yeah, it may sound different, but if so that is
> > because there is something seriously wrong with it.
 
> **And yet, you speak from a position of extreme ignorance. You have no
> technical abilities to understand what sets some amps apart form others. 

I can fairly listen to the things, pal. I can compare at
matched levels and can determine that exotic technologies
notwithstanding, all good amps sound the same up to their
respective clipping levels. OK, with really wild and weird
speaker loads some amps have advantages. But with the
speakers most people use, amps is amps. And there are
conventional amps out there that are also able to handle
rather weird loads. They may cost a bit more, but there is
still nothing exotic about their design.

> You
> have no experience with the amp in question anyway.

I have heard and compared enough good amps to know that if
your amp sounds different from them there is something wrong
with it.

> >> Go study up on the Dewey
> >> Decimal System (or whatever is used in libraries now) and get back to us.

> > Why on earth would you want to learn about a library
> > cataloging system that went out of date decades ago?
 
> **Exactly. It has as much relevance to all of us, as your comments about
> audio equipment. You have no real knowledge about what you speak.

I can spot a con artist, and it this day and age that is
more important than the ability to spout technical jargon
and rave about one's experience repairing and installing
gear.

> >> Even better, you could actually learn some circuit analysis and engage in
> >> some practical experience and get back to us. Of course, you could always
> >> admit your error and apologise to those who actually understand.

> > About amps and wires?
 
> **About the lies you wrote about me. About your incorrect assumptions. About
> much, much more.

OK, here is your chance to repent. Admit that all good amps
sound the same up to their respective clipping points when
driving normal speaker loads and admit that for home-audio
applications good, decently thick lamp cord works as well as
exotic speaker wire. If you say that I will apologize for
what I have written about you.

Howard Ferstler