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"Howard Ferstler" <ferstle@attglobal.net> wrote in message 
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> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>> "Howard Ferstler" <ferstle@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:42D46A8B.C7700190@attglobal.net...
>
>> > At least I am not a low-life con artist who sells people a
>> > bill of goods when it comes to the so-called sound of
>> > upscale amps and exotic wires.
>
>> **Would you care to phrase that in English?
>
> You con people.

**Prove it.

 In addition, you may also be conning
> yourself. I do not know which is worse.
>
>> >> Is that opposed to retired
>> >> librarians who imagine that a short circuit offers zero Ohms 
>> >> resistance?
>
>> > Close enough to zero to essentially shunt all of an amp's
>> > audible output around the speaker load and shut the amp
>> > down.
>
>> **That is not what you stated previously. Do you now admit that a short
>> circuit is not zero Ohms?
>
> As one real expert posted previously, yes, it is not zero
> ohms. But for all practical purposes, when it is in parallel
> with a speaker load it might as well be zero.

**Without knowing the nature of the short circuit, it is not possible to 
state this with any certainty. But you'd know that, if you knew anything 
about electronics. Of course, you don't, so you continue to make fundamental 
errors.

>
>> >> Is
>> >> that opposed to retired librarians who have no idea how the protection
>> >> systems operate in domestic (or any other) amplifiers?
>
>> > At least I do not claim that one's own, specially built
>> > amplifier has mysterious qualities that make it sound better
>> > than other, decently built versions.
>
>> **Good. Nor do I. There is absolutely nothing mysterious about the
>> amplifiers I referred you to.
>
> Good. That means they sound like all other good amps, at
> least up to their respective clipping levels. If you say
> otherwise, you are a con artist.

**Indeed. They sound identical to other amplifiers which measure identically 
to them. There has never been any argument over this point.

>
>> Nothing whatsoever. Just good, solid
>> engineering. Oops, I forgot. You don't have a clue about how amplifiers
>> actually work, do you? ALL amplifiers are a mystery to you.
>
> I know enough about them to realize that when somebody like
> you claims that a super-duper amp he is dealing with sounds
> superior to all others that individual is pulling a sales
> scam.

**IF I had said such a thing (which I have not), then you would be entitled 
to say so.

>
>> Some of us,
>> however, have some education into the functioning of electronic 
>> equipment.
>
> Maybe so. However, additional education in the realms of
> both common sense and ethics would not hurt.

**I agree.

>
>> I
>> suggest you get off your butt and do likewise. After you've spent 4 years
>> studying electronics and 30 odd years with hands on experience, we'll be
>> able to converse at the same level.
>
> How many additional years of con-artist training will I need
> to be as good at the job as you?

**When will you stop beating the crap out of your wife?

>
>> >> Is that opposed to
>> >> retired librarians who have no understanding of Thevenin's Theorem?
>
>> > At least I do not claim that exotic speaker wires have an
>> > audible advantage over thick lamp cord.
>
>> **Of course you don't! You're an idiot. I've patiently explained how SOME
>> cables can affect SOME loudspeakers in SOME systems, many times.
>
> Yeah, when the speakers are 100 yards from the amp.

**Actually, not that far. Depending on the speaker, of course. And that is 
the difference between you and me. You state, unequivocally, that speaker 
cables are all the same. I argue that certain systems can benefit from low 
inductance cables. IOW: You are wrong.

>
>>  At least I do not
>> > con people into believing the audio equivalent of the tooth
>> > fairy.
>
>> **Sure you do. You rave about the books you write.
>
> Interestingly, so have others raved about them. In any case,
> getting into a insult-trading contest here is doing you a
> hell of a lot more damage than it is doing me.

**I'm not insulting you. I'm simply stating fact.

>
>> Yet you have no in-depth
>> knowledge about the topic.
>
> I know enough to be able to spot a con artist in action.

**You may well do so. You are also incapable of spotting people who actually 
know their business, however.


> Given that this series of posts is being read in Australia,
> are you sure you care to continue?

**I have no problem with allowing you to make a complete idiot of yourself.

>
>> All you understand is the superficial stuff.
>
> For guys like you, amp and wire scams are "superficial
> stuff."

**Are they? I presume you have some actual evidence? A Google cite will be 
fine.

>
>> >> You and your comments lack any kind of credibility.
>
>> > This, from a guy who claims that his special amp (or one
>> > that he sells, since I do not believe he designed it) has
>> > qualities that set it apart from all other decently designed
>> > versions. Yeah, it may sound different, but if so that is
>> > because there is something seriously wrong with it.
>
>> **And yet, you speak from a position of extreme ignorance. You have no
>> technical abilities to understand what sets some amps apart form others.
>
> I can fairly listen to the things, pal. I can compare at
> matched levels and can determine that exotic technologies
> notwithstanding, all good amps sound the same up to their
> respective clipping levels. OK, with really wild and weird
> speaker loads some amps have advantages. But with the
> speakers most people use, amps is amps. And there are
> conventional amps out there that are also able to handle
> rather weird loads. They may cost a bit more, but there is
> still nothing exotic about their design.

**How would you know?

>
>> You
>> have no experience with the amp in question anyway.
>
> I have heard and compared enough good amps to know that if
> your amp sounds different from them there is something wrong
> with it.

**IOW: You don't know.

>
>> >> Go study up on the Dewey
>> >> Decimal System (or whatever is used in libraries now) and get back to 
>> >> us.
>
>> > Why on earth would you want to learn about a library
>> > cataloging system that went out of date decades ago?
>
>> **Exactly. It has as much relevance to all of us, as your comments about
>> audio equipment. You have no real knowledge about what you speak.
>
> I can spot a con artist, and it this day and age that is
> more important than the ability to spout technical jargon
> and rave about one's experience repairing and installing
> gear.

**It is very important, when discussing why an amp shuts down, when turned 
up to moderate levels. And it is in this area where your knowledge is sadly 
lacking.

>
>> >> Even better, you could actually learn some circuit analysis and engage 
>> >> in
>> >> some practical experience and get back to us. Of course, you could 
>> >> always
>> >> admit your error and apologise to those who actually understand.
>
>> > About amps and wires?
>
>> **About the lies you wrote about me. About your incorrect assumptions. 
>> About
>> much, much more.
>
> OK, here is your chance to repent.

**Repent what, exactly? Be precise and use Google quotes as often as you 
feel necessary.

 Admit that all good amps
> sound the same up to their respective clipping points when
> driving normal speaker loads and admit that for home-audio
> applications good,

**I will admit that all amps, which demonstrate identical specs, do, indeed, 
sound identical.

 decently thick lamp cord works as well as
> exotic speaker wire.

**For most systems, yes. For SOME systems, no.

 If you say that I will apologize for
> what I have written about you.

**No, you won't. You're pig-ignorant. You will NEVER apologise to me.


-- 
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au