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"Harry Lavo" <hlavo@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You can easily get one that is just as good new, for
>> the
>>>>>> price of the laser assembly.
>>>>
>>>>> A player as good as the XA7ES for $160 USD? Which one,
>>>>> praytell?
>>>>
>>>> I have a Pioneer DV-563A which is I believe the
>> predecessor
>>>> of Stewart's Pioneer DV-575A which is approximated by
the
>>>> Pioneer DV-578A outside the UK.
>>>>
>>>> Harry Lavo recommended the DV-563 to RAHE readers, so
how
>>>> bad can it be?  Of course, later on Harry
dis-recommended
>> it
>>>> for questioanble reasons, but consistency isn't one of
>>>> Harry's primary traits.
>>>>
>>>> Sound and Vision gave the DV-563A a good review, and
that
>>>> appears to be about the time the golden ears turned
>> against
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/assets/download/1132003135639.pdf
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, no, Arny.  I never owned or auditioned the
563a.
>>
>> But you did make a positive mention of it in a post,
Harry.
>> Thanks for showing the kind of slippery statements you
will
>> restor to in order to avoid admitting to a possible
error.
>>
>>> But I did recommend the 578 immediately after it came
out.
>> I
>>> think for it's price it is head and shoulders above it's
>>> similarly priced competition in sound quality.
>> Interesting
>>> that the editors of The Perfect Vision just picked it
for
>>> their lowest priced recommended system as the one to buy
>> "if
>>> sound quality is your primary emphasis".
>>
>> As another poster mentioned, Perfect Vision also said
nice
>> things about the 563a in Mar./Apr. 2004.
>>
>> So now Harry, you say that the 578 is good because PV
said
>> nice things about it, but they said nice things about the
>> 563 but  you are right to disagree with them?
>>
>>> However, it's value varies by format.  It is a very
decent
>> CD
>>> player.  It is an exceptional DVD-A player at it's price
>>> point.  And it is a mediocre SACD player.  It's main
>>> shortcoming is that it doesn't reveal ambience the way
>> better
>>> players do.  In other words, it lacks the ultimate
>>> transparency that better players have.
>>
>> Prove it.
>>
>>> And BTW Arny, I don't recall ever changing my opinion on
>> this
>>> in RAHE.
>>
>> So much for your memory, Harry.
>>
>>> I did however change my opinion on the cheapy
>>> Panasonic I had previously brought to the group's
>> attention.
>>> And that was in part based on poor video performance.
>> Perhaps
>>> you are confusing the two.
>>
>> No Harry, your negative post about 563 said:
>>
>>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.audio.high-end/msg/0b453da09ffffb70
>>
>> "I *do* know that the 563 had control chip problems that
led
>> it to not being
>> able to read the SACD layer on many UMG hybrid disks...so
a
>> lot of people
>> who liked the sound gave them up because of the hassle.
>> That is also why I
>> never even tried it."
>>
>>> And for what it is worth, my recommendation to the group
>>> pre-dated any written review of the 578.
>>
>> So Harry this is an attempt on your part to steer
attention
>> away from your mistakes w/r/t the 563?
>>
>> This just shows that you were speaking out on a topic you
>> actually knew nothing at all about.
>>
>>>  I bought it when
>>> shopping for a good DVD-A player, and decided that there
>>> wasn't enought sound difference given the uncertainty
>> about
>>> DVD-A's future to justify the Arcam DV79, which is a
>> superb
>>> DVD-A machine.  I bought it based on my ears.
>>
>> The fallacy your perceptions and thoughts are already
well
>> known, Harry.  Ditto for your brain, given how you just
>> scrambled facts like the dynamic range of SACD versus
DVD-A,
>> and your prior recommendations and comments.

> Arny, the 563 and 578 players are different players.

Your mastery of the obvious is amazing, Harry.