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Article #700Re: HD RADIO is no worse than DAB or DRM radio
From: Telamon
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 02:22
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 02:22
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In article <XNWLi.896$ht5.398@trnddc02>, "Earl Kiosterud" <someone@nowhere.com> wrote: > "SFTV_troy" <SFTV_troy@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1191140172.205755.136880@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... > > > > Earl Kiosterud wrote: > >> > >> Synchronous AM demodulation uses a locally regenerated carrier, > >> fed along with the AM signal (upper or lower set of sidebands) to > >> a multiplier (modulator). The result is the audio. It replaces > >> the envelope (diode) detector usually used. You can think of it as > >> another superhet stage where the result, instead of another IF > >> frequency, is the baseband audio. That's because the local > >> oscillator is the same frequency as the carrier of the (IF) > >> signal, so the difference is zero. The sidebands wind up > >> translated to baseband audio instead of to another IF frequency. > >> > >> There are advantages. Since one set of sidebands or the other can > >> be used, if there's a distant station 10KHz away, causing that AM > >> whistle, you just switch to the other set of sidebands, whichever > >> comes in the cleanest. Also, it doesn't depend on proper > >> amplitude and phase of both sets of sidebands to work properly, as > >> does the regular envelope detector, so it works better with > >> impaired signals. > > > > > > > > I only understood about 75% of what your wrote, but if I understand > > your meaning, this new receiving technique would not improve the > > sound (it would still be limited from 100-6000 hertz), but would > > only reduce interference. > > > Troy, > > Well, the 6 KHz limit is due to the narrow bandwidth of the > receivers, not the detector used, or the stations. I think most AM > radios actually do much worse than that. AM radios are designed with > a limited bandpass because it gets noisy as the bandwidth goes up. > The AM band is a soup of distant stations, particularly at night, and > that's the source of much of the noise. AM radio stations in the US > are allowed up to 10 KHz audio. That's pretty listenable -- there's > only a little over a half octave to the 15 KHz limit of FM. > > The synchronous detector, in addition to being able to use one set of > sidebands or the other, whichever is the best under the conditions, > is not subject to distortion from asymmetrical sidebands, such as > when there is fading, multipath, etc. There may be a non-flat audio > bandpass from those conditions, but a conventional detector will also > have distortion. I just made a few empirical measurements on a receiver with digitally adjustable filters and noted increased high end audio response out to 8K. 8 khz wide is not pleasing because most radio stations are apparently boosting the high end. I usually set the bandwidth 4.4 khz for best sound otherwise it is to sharp. -- Telamon Ventura, California
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