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Article #913Re: Transformers in Audio Power Supplies
From: Dave Dal Farra
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 1994 21:48
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 1994 21:48
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Tom Nagy, stud7b11@bcars564.bnrottawa asks: > >In an amplifier circuit that I am currently fiddling >with, the spec. says to use a toroidal transformer in the >power supply. Why is this important? How would I be >degrading the performance of the amp with a plain-vanilla >transformer? Tom, Here's some wisdom guzzled from that Texas mickey of wisdom, the net. (yes I'm being sarcastic!) Dave Dal Farra (gpz750@bnr.ca) '83 GPz750/no fairing/no ABS/damn near no damping -----------------------------------------attached-----------> Subject: Toroids From: stephen.soyka@canrem.com (Stephen Soyka) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 93 02:24:00 -0400 As a general rule, toroids are never a no-no. The usual overiding factor in transformer topology is cost. Cost of the core, cost of the windings, set-up time etc. In general, toroids are very expensive due to the high labour costs involved. Every winding must be set up by hand becuase winding machines use a rotating shuttle which must be pre-loaded with the required length of conductor. I have a winding machine and can attest to the pain-in-the-ass nature of this process. That being said, a totoid is nothing more than a standard E-core wherein the magnetic path is a perfect circle. This drastically reduces the effects of eddy current losses and losses due to mutual inductance. I'm not sure what you are getting at in the area of frequency response and linearity. Aproperly designed XFMR is a properly designed XFMR. Although it is somewhat difficult to control the physical linearity of the actual winding, this is less of a problem with a toroid than with a standard E-core. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: dstock@hpqmoca.sqf.hp.com (David Stockton) Subject: Re: Torroids for tube amp supply? Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 16:37:44 GMT Toroidal transformers use tape-wound cores, explioting GOSS (grain-oriented silicon steel) which has better mag properties in one direstion than the other, The tape wound toroid ensures the mag field always is optimally oriented. Nearly all manufacturers have exploited this to the limit to run very high flux levels, allowing them to reduce the number of turns per volt. This can lead to a transformer that buzzes loudly, and also leads to turn-on surges. Overrunning the voltage soon leads to saturation and blown fuses (if you're lucky..) 44v windings may not have adequate or legal insulation at line voltage. European transformer shops sell 240 to 110v isolating transformers for operating power tools etc, running 110 into the 110 winding of one of these, and bridge-rectifying the 240v winding to get over 300v DC may be better 1) all windings running ar rated voltage, 2) isolting transformers have special "safety class' insulation. For a good amplifier, I personally would have a custom transformer done, with reduced flux level for acoustic noise reduction, and an inter-winding electrostatic shield to prevent interference from line transients. -----------------end attachement---------------------------------
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