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Insect <insect81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I understand I can plug a turntable through a preamp into a soundcard, and
> then record to a PC based CD-R.
>
> 1.  What soundcard is recommended?  One alternative is the Soundblaster
Live
> Value or Soundblaster Live - what is the quality for my purpose?  Do I
need
> to step up to something like a Gina card?  What other cards would be good?

Please check out http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/summary

> Is it true that the SB Live samples at 48KHz, and I need 44KHz to record
to
> CD, and will therefore get a sound degradation?

Yes.

> 2.  What minimum spec do I need for the A/D converters?  Does anyone know
> the specs on the A/D converters on the SB Live? (e.g. 16 bit, 18 bit,
etc)?

Please check out http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/summary

> 3.  What software is recommended?

YMMV. One alternative is cooledit pro: http://www.syntrillium.com

> 4.  What turntable/cartridge is recommended?

The best you can muster.

Soundblaster Live will be fine.  I use the sb live and use a line out from
my hi fi amp into the sound card.  I'm using CD Spin Doctor which is part of
Adaptec Easy CD creator http://www.adaptec.com/products/overview/ecdc.html.
Its got some simple to use pop and crackle filtering and loudness balancing.
Check out the Creative site for sb live specs http://www.sblive.com/

Your final quality will be somewhat determined by how old and scrappy your
LP's are and the quality of your turntable.




Insect <insect81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7pigc3$akq$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net...
> I understand I can plug a turntable through a preamp into a soundcard, and
> then record to a PC based CD-R.
>
> 1.  What soundcard is recommended?  One alternative is the Soundblaster
Live
> Value or Soundblaster Live - what is the quality for my purpose?  Do I
need
> to step up to something like a Gina card?  What other cards would be good?
> Is it true that the SB Live samples at 48KHz, and I need 44KHz to record
to
> CD, and will therefore get a sound degradation?
> 2.  What minimum spec do I need for the A/D converters?  Does anyone know
> the specs on the A/D converters on the SB Live? (e.g. 16 bit, 18 bit,
etc)?
> 3.  What software is recommended?
> 4.  What turntable/cartridge is recommended?
>
> Thanks,
>
> insect81@hotmail.com
>
>

Insect wrote:

> I understand I can plug a turntable through a preamp into a soundcard, and
> then record to a PC based CD-R.

Yes you can.

>
> 1.  What soundcard is recommended?  One alternative is the Soundblaster Live
> Value or Soundblaster Live - what is the quality for my purpose?  Do I need
>

SBLive is definately recommended (value or regular) same
chip, you do not need the SPDIF for this purpose.

> to step up to something like a Gina card?  What other cards would be good?
> Is it true that the SB Live samples at 48KHz, and I need 44KHz

Well the SBLive would be good for this purpose and for
the price.


> to record to
> CD, and will therefore get a sound degradation?
>

You will not get a sound degradation - at least you won't
hear it.  What I recommend is you sample everything at
48Khz.   Since the CD-A standard uses 44Khz16bit PCM WAV
you will need to downsample.  You would use EMU's src
(source rate converter) it's a small program, it's fast and
is better than the one on the sblive.


> 2.  What minimum spec do I need for the A/D converters?  Does anyone know
> the specs on the A/D converters on the SB Live? (e.g. 16 bit, 18 bit, etc)?
>

Speaking out of lucky guess here but I think that anything
below -80dB S/N is good.   The SBLive is well into
quality specs for LP to CD conversion.


> 3.  What software is recommended?

I personally use Cool Edit Pro 1.1 - There is also SoundForge.

> 4.  What turntable/cartridge is recommended?
>

I use Maranz, which are good.

Make sure though that your turntable is plugged into your
tuner/amplifier and that your turntable is properly
grounded to your tuner/amp.

Then, to remove the pop, hiss, and crackle I recommend
Algorithmix SoundLaundry with its set of plugins - it works
realtime previewing, and faster than realtime conversion
and the quality is excellent !  I have rendered some
scratchy records to almost CD quality.

insect,

Let me share my experience.

I'm "remastering" my collection of LP's, open reel tapes and cassettes
and so far have processed some 300 tracks out of 2000+ still waiting.

My Pentium II 400 (M747) has an inboard CMI8330 based sound system. 
Using the inboard sound was just fine, despite of the noise floor that
is a bit high in that board.  However, the 8330 is incompatible with the
MS ForceFeedback joystick and overall the motherboard was very tricky to
configure for the CPI is 2.0, but that's another story.  I disabled the
inboard sound and the Joystick worked just fine.  Then I installed my
old SB16 and worked okay but sound was not as good as with the CMI8330. 
So, I decided to get the SBlive!  What a difference!  It is not a
professional grade card, but it is one of the best cards available for
personal use.  The only cracking noises out of the speakers I have heard
were produced by the tremendous bass response, almost flat, down to
10Hz. Cranking down the volume control was the cure to the noises
produced by my cheap 3" speakers. When I feed my Sony amplifier there
are no noises at all.  Check this NG for some reports of malfunction due
to poor wiring layout and/or hardware constrains. With the Sblive!  I
hear sounds I never heard before with the CMI8330 or the SB16, so I
started all over again despite of the fact that I had some 150 tracks
already converted to MP3 and CD's.

My turntable is an old Sony I purchased some 20 years ago; so it is not
necessary to spend too much in a turntable, providing it is in good
shape and has low rumble.   I recommend you purchase instead a good pair
of headphones.  You need an equalized preamplifier to feed the turntable
output to the card line input.  Any audio amplifier with turntable input
is okay, providing that features line output too.  Forget feeding the
soundcard mike input or directly to the line input without and equalized
pre amplifier.  If you don't care MIDI or digital I/O, the SBLive! Value
is OK; after all it's the same card.  

The program I use is DartPro32, but there are many other, even free or
shareware, in the WEB.  Regarding the format, 44.1 and 16 bit is
standard for CD audio.  Some programs automatically convert to that
format previous to recording.  The soundcard samples at the rate you
select by software.  I recommend you search the WEB and try several
programs until you find the one you like. 

That's my $0.05 contribution.



Insect wrote:
> 
> I understand I can plug a turntable through a preamp into a soundcard, and
> then record to a PC based CD-R.
> 
> 1.  What soundcard is recommended?  One alternative is the Soundblaster Live
> Value or Soundblaster Live - what is the quality for my purpose?  Do I need
> to step up to something like a Gina card?  What other cards would be good?
> Is it true that the SB Live samples at 48KHz, and I need 44KHz to record to
> CD, and will therefore get a sound degradation?
> 2.  What minimum spec do I need for the A/D converters?  Does anyone know
> the specs on the A/D converters on the SB Live? (e.g. 16 bit, 18 bit, etc)?
> 3.  What software is recommended?
> 4.  What turntable/cartridge is recommended?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> insect81@hotmail.com

Where do I get EMU src ?

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>
>
> Insect wrote:
>
> > I understand I can plug a turntable through a preamp into a soundcard,
and
> > then record to a PC based CD-R.
>
> Yes you can.
>
> >
> > 1.  What soundcard is recommended?  One alternative is the Soundblaster
Live
> > Value or Soundblaster Live - what is the quality for my purpose?  Do I
need
> >
>
> SBLive is definately recommended (value or regular) same
> chip, you do not need the SPDIF for this purpose.
>
> > to step up to something like a Gina card?  What other cards would be
good?
> > Is it true that the SB Live samples at 48KHz, and I need 44KHz
>
> Well the SBLive would be good for this purpose and for
> the price.
>
>
> > to record to
> > CD, and will therefore get a sound degradation?
> >
>
> You will not get a sound degradation - at least you won't
> hear it.  What I recommend is you sample everything at
> 48Khz.   Since the CD-A standard uses 44Khz16bit PCM WAV
> you will need to downsample.  You would use EMU's src
> (source rate converter) it's a small program, it's fast and
> is better than the one on the sblive.
>
>
> > 2.  What minimum spec do I need for the A/D converters?  Does anyone
know
> > the specs on the A/D converters on the SB Live? (e.g. 16 bit, 18 bit,
etc)?
> >
>
> Speaking out of lucky guess here but I think that anything
> below -80dB S/N is good.   The SBLive is well into
> quality specs for LP to CD conversion.
>
>
> > 3.  What software is recommended?
>
> I personally use Cool Edit Pro 1.1 - There is also SoundForge.
>
> > 4.  What turntable/cartridge is recommended?
> >
>
> I use Maranz, which are good.
>
> Make sure though that your turntable is plugged into your
> tuner/amplifier and that your turntable is properly
> grounded to your tuner/amp.
>
> Then, to remove the pop, hiss, and crackle I recommend
> Algorithmix SoundLaundry with its set of plugins - it works
> realtime previewing, and faster than realtime conversion
> and the quality is excellent !  I have rendered some
> scratchy records to almost CD quality.
>
>

Another Question...

Without having to move my entire stereo system from the basement up to
my computer room, is there any recommended "equalized" pre-amps that
would serve as an interface between my magnet phono cartridge and a PC
based sound card?

Thanks in advance.
Neron

-- 
 \\ /,    
`( N     Neron N. Nesmith Jr.   
  \      N8WSF  
   =     nnesmith@ieee.org

Standalone phono preamps from J&R Music World-see catalog or website--also
maybe Radio Shark.
Go buy a 15 year old receiver or preamp from a stereo store that handles
used equipment or at an auction.

"Neron N. Nesmith Jr." wrote:

> Another Question...
>
> Without having to move my entire stereo system from the basement up to
> my computer room, is there any recommended "equalized" pre-amps that
> would serve as an interface between my magnet phono cartridge and a PC
> based sound card?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Neron
>
> --
>  \\ /,
> `( N     Neron N. Nesmith Jr.
>   \      N8WSF
>    =     nnesmith@ieee.org

<37BEB4BC.76B32B67@ieee.org>, Neron N. Nesmith Jr. <nnesmith@ieee.org>
inimitably wrote:
>Another Question...
>
>Without having to move my entire stereo system from the basement up to
>my computer room, is there any recommended "equalized" pre-amps that
>would serve as an interface between my magnet phono cartridge and a PC
>based sound card?
>
If you can build one from a schematic, send me an e-mail. 
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PLEASE DO ****NOT**** MAIL COPIES OF NEWSGROUP POSTS TO ME!!!!

Insect <insect81@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>1.  What soundcard is recommended?  One alternative is the Soundblaster Live
>Value or Soundblaster Live - what is the quality for my purpose?  Do I need
>to step up to something like a Gina card?  What other cards would be good?
>Is it true that the SB Live samples at 48KHz, and I need 44KHz to record to
>CD, and will therefore get a sound degradation?

I'd suggest getting an outboard converter if you have the money, but 
check out the pcavtech reviews if you really must have an inboard sound
card.  If your money is limited, you will gain more by spending it on
a better turntable than a better soundcard.

>2.  What minimum spec do I need for the A/D converters?  Does anyone know
>the specs on the A/D converters on the SB Live? (e.g. 16 bit, 18 bit, etc)?

Basically, the specs don't matter, what matters is how they sound.  Very
few converters that are advertised as having n bits are actually linear
across all the range.

>3.  What software is recommended?

There is a lot out there.  Since you're just reading and dumping, you
really don't need much more than the bundled stuff.

>4.  What turntable/cartridge is recommended?

How much money do you have and what kind of preamp are you using?  I'll
say that digging up a used belt-driven Thorens and trying the Shure V-15
cartridge is a good start for under $500 total.  For more money, you can
get a substantially better tonearm (and that translates to lower noise
since the arm rings less), and a better cartridge, but when you start
getting into good cartridges you are mostly in moving coil land where
you start requiring a special preamp.  The Audio-Technica OC-9 is a hell
of a deal, and I use one myself at homme.

In general, more money spent on a turntable will buy you an audible 
improvement, and there is no limit to what you can spend.

Stay away from rim and direct drive turntables.  If you absolutely have
to get a cheap cartridge, consider the Grado DJ-100.  It's a spherical
stylus so it won't track as well as an elliptical or van den Hul, but
it sounds good for the price unless you have worn records.

And get a record cleaning machine.  The Nitty Gritty manual machine can
be found used for a good price.  You will be shocked at what this does to your
noise floor.,
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

I forgot the exact link - someone posted it to me.
I can e-mail you a copy if you want.

BTW - I use Cool Edit Pro 1.2 now.  It is DEFINATELY
better and faster than Cool Edit Pro 1.0 or 1.1.


Stephane wrote:

> Where do I get EMU src ?
>
> --
> ========Stephane Hebert========
> Remove mypants. to reply via E-mail
> Rick Anderson <smtc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:37BDB4C2.B3472961@hotmail.com...
> >
> >
> > Insect wrote:
> >
> > > I understand I can plug a turntable through a preamp into a soundcard,
> and
> > > then record to a PC based CD-R.
> >
> > Yes you can.
> >
> > >
> > > 1.  What soundcard is recommended?  One alternative is the Soundblaster
> Live
> > > Value or Soundblaster Live - what is the quality for my purpose?  Do I
> need
> > >
> >
> > SBLive is definately recommended (value or regular) same
> > chip, you do not need the SPDIF for this purpose.
> >
> > > to step up to something like a Gina card?  What other cards would be
> good?
> > > Is it true that the SB Live samples at 48KHz, and I need 44KHz
> >
> > Well the SBLive would be good for this purpose and for
> > the price.
> >
> >
> > > to record to
> > > CD, and will therefore get a sound degradation?
> > >
> >
> > You will not get a sound degradation - at least you won't
> > hear it.  What I recommend is you sample everything at
> > 48Khz.   Since the CD-A standard uses 44Khz16bit PCM WAV
> > you will need to downsample.  You would use EMU's src
> > (source rate converter) it's a small program, it's fast and
> > is better than the one on the sblive.
> >
> >
> > > 2.  What minimum spec do I need for the A/D converters?  Does anyone
> know
> > > the specs on the A/D converters on the SB Live? (e.g. 16 bit, 18 bit,
> etc)?
> > >
> >
> > Speaking out of lucky guess here but I think that anything
> > below -80dB S/N is good.   The SBLive is well into
> > quality specs for LP to CD conversion.
> >
> >
> > > 3.  What software is recommended?
> >
> > I personally use Cool Edit Pro 1.1 - There is also SoundForge.
> >
> > > 4.  What turntable/cartridge is recommended?
> > >
> >
> > I use Maranz, which are good.
> >
> > Make sure though that your turntable is plugged into your
> > tuner/amplifier and that your turntable is properly
> > grounded to your tuner/amp.
> >
> > Then, to remove the pop, hiss, and crackle I recommend
> > Algorithmix SoundLaundry with its set of plugins - it works
> > realtime previewing, and faster than realtime conversion
> > and the quality is excellent !  I have rendered some
> > scratchy records to almost CD quality.
> >
> >

Luis E. Suarez <lsuarez@internet.ve> wrote in message
news:37BDB591.8BDFEC2E@internet.ve...
> insect,
>
> Let me share my experience.
>
> I'm "remastering" my collection of LP's, open reel tapes and cassettes
> and so far have processed some 300 tracks out of 2000+ still waiting.
>
> My Pentium II 400 (M747) has an inboard CMI8330 based sound system.
> Using the inboard sound was just fine, despite of the noise floor that
> is a bit high in that board

The CMI 8330 is arguably one of the noisiest, most highly distorted sound
card chips there is. Think I'm kidding? See
http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/ht1869/index.htm . Compare it to almost
any other sound card posted at
http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/summary/index.htm , and see what I mean.

Rick,

My mailbox is waiting...


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Rick Anderson <smtc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:37C0666B.9CE08541@hotmail.com...
> I forgot the exact link - someone posted it to me.
> I can e-mail you a copy if you want.
>
> BTW - I use Cool Edit Pro 1.2 now.  It is DEFINATELY
> better and faster than Cool Edit Pro 1.0 or 1.1.
>
>
> Stephane wrote:
>
> > Where do I get EMU src ?
> >
> > --
> > ========Stephane Hebert========
> > Remove mypants. to reply via E-mail
> > Rick Anderson <smtc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:37BDB4C2.B3472961@hotmail.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > Insect wrote:
> > >
> > > > I understand I can plug a turntable through a preamp into a
soundcard,
> > and
> > > > then record to a PC based CD-R.
> > >
> > > Yes you can.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 1.  What soundcard is recommended?  One alternative is the
Soundblaster
> > Live
> > > > Value or Soundblaster Live - what is the quality for my purpose?  Do
I
> > need
> > > >
> > >
> > > SBLive is definately recommended (value or regular) same
> > > chip, you do not need the SPDIF for this purpose.
> > >
> > > > to step up to something like a Gina card?  What other cards would be
> > good?
> > > > Is it true that the SB Live samples at 48KHz, and I need 44KHz
> > >
> > > Well the SBLive would be good for this purpose and for
> > > the price.
> > >
> > >
> > > > to record to
> > > > CD, and will therefore get a sound degradation?
> > > >
> > >
> > > You will not get a sound degradation - at least you won't
> > > hear it.  What I recommend is you sample everything at
> > > 48Khz.   Since the CD-A standard uses 44Khz16bit PCM WAV
> > > you will need to downsample.  You would use EMU's src
> > > (source rate converter) it's a small program, it's fast and
> > > is better than the one on the sblive.
> > >
> > >
> > > > 2.  What minimum spec do I need for the A/D converters?  Does anyone
> > know
> > > > the specs on the A/D converters on the SB Live? (e.g. 16 bit, 18
bit,
> > etc)?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Speaking out of lucky guess here but I think that anything
> > > below -80dB S/N is good.   The SBLive is well into
> > > quality specs for LP to CD conversion.
> > >
> > >
> > > > 3.  What software is recommended?
> > >
> > > I personally use Cool Edit Pro 1.1 - There is also SoundForge.
> > >
> > > > 4.  What turntable/cartridge is recommended?
> > > >
> > >
> > > I use Maranz, which are good.
> > >
> > > Make sure though that your turntable is plugged into your
> > > tuner/amplifier and that your turntable is properly
> > > grounded to your tuner/amp.
> > >
> > > Then, to remove the pop, hiss, and crackle I recommend
> > > Algorithmix SoundLaundry with its set of plugins - it works
> > > realtime previewing, and faster than realtime conversion
> > > and the quality is excellent !  I have rendered some
> > > scratchy records to almost CD quality.
> > >
> > >
>

On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:01:13 -0400, "Insect" <insect81@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I understand I can plug a turntable through a preamp into a soundcard, and
>then record to a PC based CD-R.
>
>1.  What soundcard is recommended?  One alternative is the Soundblaster Live
>Value or Soundblaster Live - what is the quality for my purpose?  Do I need
>to step up to something like a Gina card?  What other cards would be good?
>Is it true that the SB Live samples at 48KHz, and I need 44KHz to record to
>CD, and will therefore get a sound degradation?
>2.  What minimum spec do I need for the A/D converters?  Does anyone know
>the specs on the A/D converters on the SB Live? (e.g. 16 bit, 18 bit, etc)?
>3.  What software is recommended?
>4.  What turntable/cartridge is recommended?
>
>Thanks,
>
>insect81@hotmail.com
>
>
Most of the advice I read here is pure hogwash from people who don't
know anything about audio.

The bandwidth of typical records does not require anything special.  I
suggest a Digital Audio Labs or analog input  card.

I suggest Sound Forge with noise reduction for this purpose.  We are
mastering a set of vinyl, taped, and such recordings from the
1920's-1960s for general archival use to CDR.  This works fine for
non-commerical purposes.  Please note that it is *not* automatic and
requires *some* knowledge of audio signal characteristics when
digitized.

If you expect to produce commercial quality transfers, ask the
question again and I will respond (you must have $$$).

Sent.....

file called srconv.exe  (sent it zipped)
very easy to use.  Converts 48Khz wav to 44Khz
and 44Khz to 48Khz.


Stephane wrote:

> Rick,
>
> My mailbox is waiting...
>
> --
> ========Stephane Hebert========
> Remove mypants. to reply via E-mail
> Rick Anderson <smtc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:37C0666B.9CE08541@hotmail.com...
> > I forgot the exact link - someone posted it to me.
> > I can e-mail you a copy if you want.
> >
> > BTW - I use Cool Edit Pro 1.2 now.  It is DEFINATELY
> > better and faster than Cool Edit Pro 1.0 or 1.1.
> >
> >
> > Stephane wrote:
> >
> > > Where do I get EMU src ?
> > >
> > > --
> > > ========Stephane Hebert========
> > > Remove mypants. to reply via E-mail
> > > Rick Anderson <smtc@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:37BDB4C2.B3472961@hotmail.com...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Insect wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I understand I can plug a turntable through a preamp into a
> soundcard,
> > > and
> > > > > then record to a PC based CD-R.
> > > >
> > > > Yes you can.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 1.  What soundcard is recommended?  One alternative is the
> Soundblaster
> > > Live
> > > > > Value or Soundblaster Live - what is the quality for my purpose?  Do
> I
> > > need
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > SBLive is definately recommended (value or regular) same
> > > > chip, you do not need the SPDIF for this purpose.
> > > >
> > > > > to step up to something like a Gina card?  What other cards would be
> > > good?
> > > > > Is it true that the SB Live samples at 48KHz, and I need 44KHz
> > > >
> > > > Well the SBLive would be good for this purpose and for
> > > > the price.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > to record to
> > > > > CD, and will therefore get a sound degradation?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You will not get a sound degradation - at least you won't
> > > > hear it.  What I recommend is you sample everything at
> > > > 48Khz.   Since the CD-A standard uses 44Khz16bit PCM WAV
> > > > you will need to downsample.  You would use EMU's src
> > > > (source rate converter) it's a small program, it's fast and
> > > > is better than the one on the sblive.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 2.  What minimum spec do I need for the A/D converters?  Does anyone
> > > know
> > > > > the specs on the A/D converters on the SB Live? (e.g. 16 bit, 18
> bit,
> > > etc)?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Speaking out of lucky guess here but I think that anything
> > > > below -80dB S/N is good.   The SBLive is well into
> > > > quality specs for LP to CD conversion.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 3.  What software is recommended?
> > > >
> > > > I personally use Cool Edit Pro 1.1 - There is also SoundForge.
> > > >
> > > > > 4.  What turntable/cartridge is recommended?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I use Maranz, which are good.
> > > >
> > > > Make sure though that your turntable is plugged into your
> > > > tuner/amplifier and that your turntable is properly
> > > > grounded to your tuner/amp.
> > > >
> > > > Then, to remove the pop, hiss, and crackle I recommend
> > > > Algorithmix SoundLaundry with its set of plugins - it works
> > > > realtime previewing, and faster than realtime conversion
> > > > and the quality is excellent !  I have rendered some
> > > > scratchy records to almost CD quality.
> > > >
> > > >
> >

Maybe YOU are hogwash.....
People are trying to help - everybody has a different
opinion on things.


Skoal wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:01:13 -0400, "Insect" <insect81@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I understand I can plug a turntable through a preamp into a soundcard, and
> >then record to a PC based CD-R.
> >
> >1.  What soundcard is recommended?  One alternative is the Soundblaster Live
> >Value or Soundblaster Live - what is the quality for my purpose?  Do I need
> >to step up to something like a Gina card?  What other cards would be good?
> >Is it true that the SB Live samples at 48KHz, and I need 44KHz to record to
> >CD, and will therefore get a sound degradation?
> >2.  What minimum spec do I need for the A/D converters?  Does anyone know
> >the specs on the A/D converters on the SB Live? (e.g. 16 bit, 18 bit, etc)?
> >3.  What software is recommended?
> >4.  What turntable/cartridge is recommended?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >insect81@hotmail.com
> >
> >
> Most of the advice I read here is pure hogwash from people who don't
> know anything about audio.
>
> The bandwidth of typical records does not require anything special.  I
> suggest a Digital Audio Labs or analog input  card.
>
> I suggest Sound Forge with noise reduction for this purpose.  We are
> mastering a set of vinyl, taped, and such recordings from the
> 1920's-1960s for general archival use to CDR.  This works fine for
> non-commerical purposes.  Please note that it is *not* automatic and
> requires *some* knowledge of audio signal characteristics when
> digitized.
>
> If you expect to produce commercial quality transfers, ask the
> question again and I will respond (you must have $$$).

    Sure.
    Or you could just get your father's 1969 Archer receiver, plug a good
turntable into it, ground it, run a line from the tape monitor to the SBLive
line-in.
    Then record them.
    Then do as you please with them.
    It doesn't take much special equipment.  I MP3'd a few of my albums, and
they are very high quality.  I was actually quite impressed.
    As for snaps, crackles and pops...most of my vinyl is in good shape.
The rest...Isn't it part of the ambience?
    Oh, and why is this cross-posted to about 65 NGs?


Skoal <raken@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:37c0b7ab.5774210@news.prodigy.net...
> On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:01:13 -0400, "Insect" <insect81@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I understand I can plug a turntable through a preamp into a soundcard,
and
> >then record to a PC based CD-R.
> >
> >1.  What soundcard is recommended?  One alternative is the Soundblaster
Live
> >Value or Soundblaster Live - what is the quality for my purpose?  Do I
need
> >to step up to something like a Gina card?  What other cards would be
good?
> >Is it true that the SB Live samples at 48KHz, and I need 44KHz to record
to
> >CD, and will therefore get a sound degradation?
> >2.  What minimum spec do I need for the A/D converters?  Does anyone know
> >the specs on the A/D converters on the SB Live? (e.g. 16 bit, 18 bit,
etc)?
> >3.  What software is recommended?
> >4.  What turntable/cartridge is recommended?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >insect81@hotmail.com
> >
> >
> Most of the advice I read here is pure hogwash from people who don't
> know anything about audio.
>
> The bandwidth of typical records does not require anything special.  I
> suggest a Digital Audio Labs or analog input  card.
>
> I suggest Sound Forge with noise reduction for this purpose.  We are
> mastering a set of vinyl, taped, and such recordings from the
> 1920's-1960s for general archival use to CDR.  This works fine for
> non-commerical purposes.  Please note that it is *not* automatic and
> requires *some* knowledge of audio signal characteristics when
> digitized.
>
> If you expect to produce commercial quality transfers, ask the
> question again and I will respond (you must have $$$).
>
>
>
>

Troy ><> Fisher <fisher9@tcnj.edu> wrote in message
news:7pqmlh$10g$1@news.creativelabs.com...
>
>     Sure.
>     Or you could just get your father's 1969 Archer receiver, plug a good
> turntable into it, ground it, run a line from the tape monitor to the
SBLive
> line-in.
>     Then record them.
>     Then do as you please with them.
>     It doesn't take much special equipment.  I MP3'd a few of my albums,
and
> they are very high quality.  I was actually quite impressed.
>     As for snaps, crackles and pops...most of my vinyl is in good shape.
> The rest...Isn't it part of the ambience?
>     Oh, and why is this cross-posted to about 65 NGs?

Actually, it is 5 NGs, and I figured that each of the groups would have
expert input on part of the questions.  For example, the Sound Blaster group
could give specific feedback on the positives and negatives of using that
card, the general soundcard group would have a more general input, whereas
the rec.audio groups would cover the questions from the more professional
standpoint.  When I browsed the groups, these are more oriented to the
specialist music cards, not the general PC sound cards.  Does that sound
reasonable?

>
> Skoal <raken@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:37c0b7ab.5774210@news.prodigy.net...
> > On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:01:13 -0400, "Insect" <insect81@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I understand I can plug a turntable through a preamp into a soundcard,
> and
> > >then record to a PC based CD-R.
> > >
> > >1.  What soundcard is recommended?  One alternative is the Soundblaster
> Live
> > >Value or Soundblaster Live - what is the quality for my purpose?  Do I
> need
> > >to step up to something like a Gina card?  What other cards would be
> good?
> > >Is it true that the SB Live samples at 48KHz, and I need 44KHz to
record
> to
> > >CD, and will therefore get a sound degradation?
> > >2.  What minimum spec do I need for the A/D converters?  Does anyone
know
> > >the specs on the A/D converters on the SB Live? (e.g. 16 bit, 18 bit,
> etc)?
> > >3.  What software is recommended?
> > >4.  What turntable/cartridge is recommended?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >insect81@hotmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > Most of the advice I read here is pure hogwash from people who don't
> > know anything about audio.
> >
> > The bandwidth of typical records does not require anything special.  I
> > suggest a Digital Audio Labs or analog input  card.
> >
> > I suggest Sound Forge with noise reduction for this purpose.  We are
> > mastering a set of vinyl, taped, and such recordings from the
> > 1920's-1960s for general archival use to CDR.  This works fine for
> > non-commerical purposes.  Please note that it is *not* automatic and
> > requires *some* knowledge of audio signal characteristics when
> > digitized.
> >
> > If you expect to produce commercial quality transfers, ask the
> > question again and I will respond (you must have $$$).
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

I've been using an Event Darla card to record a pretty large collection of vinyl
LP's to CD and I've been quite pleased with the results.  I use it solely for
vinyl transfers and use Soundforge with the noise reduction plug ins to clean up
some of the surface noise.  As someone else noted earlier,  a good record
cleaning machine like a nitty gritty helps improve the spound a lot,  especially
on older records with built up layers of junk.

I'm also having problems with recording. The sound just distorts and breaks
up when I use the line input from an amp and no matter what I try to do it
just keeps on overloading. I have no problems recording from cd but just
some old vinyl.
Am I just being thick or what?

Insect <insect81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7pigc3$akq$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net...
> I understand I can plug a turntable through a preamp into a soundcard, and
> then record to a PC based CD-R.
>
> 1.  What soundcard is recommended?  One alternative is the Soundblaster
Live
> Value or Soundblaster Live - what is the quality for my purpose?  Do I
need
> to step up to something like a Gina card?  What other cards would be good?
> Is it true that the SB Live samples at 48KHz, and I need 44KHz to record
to
> CD, and will therefore get a sound degradation?
> 2.  What minimum spec do I need for the A/D converters?  Does anyone know
> the specs on the A/D converters on the SB Live? (e.g. 16 bit, 18 bit,
etc)?
> 3.  What software is recommended?
> 4.  What turntable/cartridge is recommended?
>
> Thanks,
>
> insect81@hotmail.com
>
>

What OUTPUT are you using from your tuner/amp
that goes to the sound card ?


Les wrote:

> I'm also having problems with recording. The sound just distorts and breaks
> up when I use the line input from an amp and no matter what I try to do it
> just keeps on overloading. I have no problems recording from cd but just
> some old vinyl.
> Am I just being thick or what?
>
> Insect <insect81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7pigc3$akq$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net...
> > I understand I can plug a turntable through a preamp into a soundcard, and
> > then record to a PC based CD-R.
> >
> > 1.  What soundcard is recommended?  One alternative is the Soundblaster
> Live
> > Value or Soundblaster Live - what is the quality for my purpose?  Do I
> need
> > to step up to something like a Gina card?  What other cards would be good?
> > Is it true that the SB Live samples at 48KHz, and I need 44KHz to record
> to
> > CD, and will therefore get a sound degradation?
> > 2.  What minimum spec do I need for the A/D converters?  Does anyone know
> > the specs on the A/D converters on the SB Live? (e.g. 16 bit, 18 bit,
> etc)?
> > 3.  What software is recommended?
> > 4.  What turntable/cartridge is recommended?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > insect81@hotmail.com
> >
> >

I've been using the aux/tape out. It worked on my old pc with onboard sound
and didn't have any problems but now itjust distorts at whatever level you
input at.
Rick Anderson <smtc2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:37C2195F.685BCCA4@hotmail.com...
> What OUTPUT are you using from your tuner/amp
> that goes to the sound card ?
>
>
> Les wrote:
>
> > I'm also having problems with recording. The sound just distorts and
breaks
> > up when I use the line input from an amp and no matter what I try to do
it
> > just keeps on overloading. I have no problems recording from cd but just
> > some old vinyl.
> > Am I just being thick or what?
> >
> > Insect <insect81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:7pigc3$akq$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net...
> > > I understand I can plug a turntable through a preamp into a soundcard,
and
> > > then record to a PC based CD-R.
> > >
> > > 1.  What soundcard is recommended?  One alternative is the
Soundblaster
> > Live
> > > Value or Soundblaster Live - what is the quality for my purpose?  Do I
> > need
> > > to step up to something like a Gina card?  What other cards would be
good?
> > > Is it true that the SB Live samples at 48KHz, and I need 44KHz to
record
> > to
> > > CD, and will therefore get a sound degradation?
> > > 2.  What minimum spec do I need for the A/D converters?  Does anyone
know
> > > the specs on the A/D converters on the SB Live? (e.g. 16 bit, 18 bit,
> > etc)?
> > > 3.  What software is recommended?
> > > 4.  What turntable/cartridge is recommended?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > insect81@hotmail.com
> > >
> > >
>

The problem of using tape/aux out for vinyl records is that the sound will
not be correctly balanced. Vinyl records are engraved with reduced bass
levels and increased treble levels. Therefore in the days of  LP's the
amplifiers had a circuit that corrected for this (RIAA pre-amp). You need a
moving coil or a moving magnet pre-amp, depending on your record player
pickup.
rgds
Thorbj�rn

Les <Les@bulldognrg.softnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7pun91$qjb$1@newsreader3.core.theplanet.net...
> I've been using the aux/tape out. It worked on my old pc with onboard
sound
> and didn't have any problems but now itjust distorts at whatever level you
> input at.
> Rick Anderson <smtc2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:37C2195F.685BCCA4@hotmail.com...
> > What OUTPUT are you using from your tuner/amp
> > that goes to the sound card ?
> >
> >
> > Les wrote:
> >
> > > I'm also having problems with recording. The sound just distorts and
> breaks
> > > up when I use the line input from an amp and no matter what I try to
do
> it
> > > just keeps on overloading. I have no problems recording from cd but
just
> > > some old vinyl.
> > > Am I just being thick or what?
> > >
> > > Insect <insect81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:7pigc3$akq$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net...
> > > > I understand I can plug a turntable through a preamp into a
soundcard,
> and
> > > > then record to a PC based CD-R.
> > > >
> > > > 1.  What soundcard is recommended?  One alternative is the
> Soundblaster
> > > Live
> > > > Value or Soundblaster Live - what is the quality for my purpose?  Do
I
> > > need
> > > > to step up to something like a Gina card?  What other cards would be
> good?
> > > > Is it true that the SB Live samples at 48KHz, and I need 44KHz to
> record
> > > to
> > > > CD, and will therefore get a sound degradation?
> > > > 2.  What minimum spec do I need for the A/D converters?  Does anyone
> know
> > > > the specs on the A/D converters on the SB Live? (e.g. 16 bit, 18
bit,
> > > etc)?
> > > > 3.  What software is recommended?
> > > > 4.  What turntable/cartridge is recommended?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > insect81@hotmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
>

"Thorbj�rn" <thamunds@online.no> wrote:

>The problem of using tape/aux out for vinyl records is that the sound will
>not be correctly balanced. Vinyl records are engraved with reduced bass
>levels and increased treble levels. Therefore in the days of  LP's the
>amplifiers had a circuit that corrected for this (RIAA pre-amp). You need a
>moving coil or a moving magnet pre-amp, depending on your record player
>pickup.
>rgds
>Thorbj�rn

If the unit used has an RIAA preamp for the turntable, then the
tape/aux out should be after this preamp, and the setup should be
okay.

Tom

Sorry, wrong. Line-out/aux-out should output RIAA-equalized sound >IF< his
receiver has a phono input. The presence of a phono input is a sign that the
unit does have a built-in phono pre-amp.

"Thorbj�rn" wrote:

> The problem of using tape/aux out for vinyl records is that the sound will
> not be correctly balanced. Vinyl records are engraved with reduced bass
> levels and increased treble levels. Therefore in the days of  LP's the
> amplifiers had a circuit that corrected for this (RIAA pre-amp). You need a
> moving coil or a moving magnet pre-amp, depending on your record player
> pickup.
> rgds
> Thorbj�rn
>
> Les <Les@bulldognrg.softnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:7pun91$qjb$1@newsreader3.core.theplanet.net...
> > I've been using the aux/tape out. It worked on my old pc with onboard
> sound
> > and didn't have any problems but now itjust distorts at whatever level you
> > input at.
> > Rick Anderson <smtc2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:37C2195F.685BCCA4@hotmail.com...
> > > What OUTPUT are you using from your tuner/amp
> > > that goes to the sound card ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Les wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm also having problems with recording. The sound just distorts and
> > breaks
> > > > up when I use the line input from an amp and no matter what I try to
> do
> > it
> > > > just keeps on overloading. I have no problems recording from cd but
> just
> > > > some old vinyl.
> > > > Am I just being thick or what?
> > > >
> > > > Insect <insect81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:7pigc3$akq$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net...
> > > > > I understand I can plug a turntable through a preamp into a
> soundcard,
> > and
> > > > > then record to a PC based CD-R.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1.  What soundcard is recommended?  One alternative is the
> > Soundblaster
> > > > Live
> > > > > Value or Soundblaster Live - what is the quality for my purpose?  Do
> I
> > > > need
> > > > > to step up to something like a Gina card?  What other cards would be
> > good?
> > > > > Is it true that the SB Live samples at 48KHz, and I need 44KHz to
> > record
> > > > to
> > > > > CD, and will therefore get a sound degradation?
> > > > > 2.  What minimum spec do I need for the A/D converters?  Does anyone
> > know
> > > > > the specs on the A/D converters on the SB Live? (e.g. 16 bit, 18
> bit,
> > > > etc)?
> > > > > 3.  What software is recommended?
> > > > > 4.  What turntable/cartridge is recommended?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > insect81@hotmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> >

In article <7pigc3$akq$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net>, insect81@hotmail.com 
says...
> I understand I can plug a turntable through a preamp into a soundcard, and
> then record to a PC based CD-R.
> 
> 1.  What soundcard is recommended?  One alternative is the Soundblaster Live
> Value or Soundblaster Live - what is the quality for my purpose?  Do I need
> to step up to something like a Gina card?  What other cards would be good?
> Is it true that the SB Live samples at 48KHz, and I need 44KHz to record to
> CD, and will therefore get a sound degradation?
> 2.  What minimum spec do I need for the A/D converters?  Does anyone know
> the specs on the A/D converters on the SB Live? (e.g. 16 bit, 18 bit, etc)?
> 3.  What software is recommended?
> 4.  What turntable/cartridge is recommended?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> insect81@hotmail.com
> 
> 
> 
Get the pre-amp from Radio Shack Cat# 42-2111. Works for months on a 9V 
battery and good quality. Cost abt $20.00. You will have to wait abt. a 
week, since most stores do not keep them in stock anymore. Turntables can 
be bought from Circuit City.

Good luck!