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Article #5428Re: CD/LD jitter: I certainly do get it! (Was: Kerry doesn't get it...)
From: Kerry Shetline
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 02:28
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 02:28
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In article <1993Jan3.220805.9323@smab.se>, hans@smab.se (Hans C Larsson) wrote: > > The problem arises when an unstable pulse train is *RECEIVED* by > a D/A-converter *FROM* a digital transport. > (I.e. between *TWO* boxes.) I will take it that by 'between *TWO* boxes' you mean between the Theta transport and an outboard DAC, or equivalently, those functional units of any CD signal processing chain. Accordingly, I will use 'transport' to mean the combination of mechanical elements, laser pickup, and support circuitry that spin a disc and spit out a sequence of digital words representing the digital signal, and DAC to mean that which takes the digital signal and converts it to analog form. > The receiver has to Phase Lock on a square wave which might not > be very "square". The 'receiver', which by your previous usage I will take to mean the DAC, will get a consistently clocked signal from the transport. The transport, with its own small buffer and feedback to the servo motor that spins the disc, will have no trouble providing this regular signal. It in fact must, if for no better reason than as a side effect of the necessary data shuffling, error-detection and correction, and sub-code sifting that must precede output to the DAC. > From this you will get time-shift on the samples on the *RECEIVING* > end since (virtually) all D/A-converters lacks any significant > amount of buffer memory *COMBINED* with re-clocking of the signal. > (The only exception that I know of is the (horrendously expensive) > Technics SH-X1000 D/A converter). I don't see any time shift creeping anywhere, certainly not related to the mechanical characteristics of the transport when it is operating well enough not to skip or otherwise catastrophically fail. The DAC should need no buffer at all, since it is the responsibility of the transport to provide regular data, and only the transport that has the necessary connections to the disc servo motor to mechanically re-clock its output. The transport must be successful at this task, or it will fail outright by skipping or mistracking, not by allowing mechanical jitter to enter into the timing of the data stream. I would be interested in finding literature on this Technics DAC, which, if it isn't just high-end BS, must be more than just a DAC. I can think of no good reason for large buffers in a DAC except perhaps for digital signal processing or skip protection. (The latter wouldn't function without some sort of control signal from the DAC back to the transport.) -Kerry
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!usc!rpi!bu.edu!news.bbn.com!NewsWatcher!user From: shetline@bbn.com (Kerry Shetline) Newsgroups: rec.audio Subject: Re: CD/LD jitter: I certainly do get it! (Was: Kerry doesn't get it...) Message-ID: <shetline-030193204048@128.89.19.85> Date: 4 Jan 93 02:28:28 GMT References: <shetline-311292220109@128.89.19.85> <shetline-311292221445@128.89.19.85> <1993Jan3.220805.9323@smab.se> Followup-To: rec.audio Organization: BBN Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com