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Article #7091Re: Are amps really different?
From: Michael Golan
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 03:50
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 03:50
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I have only compared two amps for a relatively short time together with two other people. After a few minutes, we all decided that clearly amp A had a little more bass then amp B. just a bit. Well, I went and did A/B random testing, reseting the volume each time. the "differneces" could no longer be detected! So, listen to what jj tells you -- you can't trust not to cheat yourself! It is far to easy to TRY to find a difference, then "correlate" it with your "knowledge". That how our brains work. sorry. (jj - references?) if it ain't A/B, just because you heard a difference, doesn't mean it really exists. And please, stop with the funny descriptions of "huge differences". I am not saying there are no differences between amps, but "huge" should be reserved to diffs, e.g., between 1/4 and 3/4 settings of the treble control. I'm sure we all agree the differences between amps (above a minimal threshold) are far less than that? (or, a $100 and a $1000 speakers, another true "huge" difference) You can "teach" yourself how easy it is to "detect" a "known source" compared with an A/B test. Try a CD vs. a quality cassette recorded in dolby-C on music with *little* dynamic range. Then compare them with your tape-monitor button. You hear a clear difference, don't you? Close your eyes and hit the button many (random) times. guess and open your eyes. If you don't guess right TEN TIMES out of TEN, you can not reliably tell the difference. (even if you did, it wasn't a true A/B test.) BTW, I can tell the difference in some cases and some music, not all. Certainly with any symphony playing in a big dynamic range, it is easy to tell the cassette when the music play quitely (and in many other places). Post your own "testing" results! -- Michael Golan mg@cs.princeton.edu
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10d431,2e20b36dc2463ee9 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d431,public X-Google-Thread: 108c0a,a4a160987c1a500e X-Google-Attributes: gid108c0a,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1993-04-14 13:19:10 PST Newsgroups: rec.audio,aus.hi-fi Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!gmd.de!Germany.EU.net!mcsun!uunet!gatech!darwin.sura.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!siemens!princeton!elan!mg From: mg@elan (Michael Golan) Subject: Re: Are amps really different? Message-ID: <1993Apr14.035014.18093@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: elan.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 03:50:14 GMT Lines: 36