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On 10/31/2010 4:11 PM, Wolf Leverich wrote:
> On 2010-10-30, Edward Dolan<edolan@iw.net>  wrote:
>
>> Hitler was left-wing
>
>
> That single meme is arguably the most stupid thing I have
> heard in about three decades on USENET.
>
> And that's saying quite a lot.
>
> Love, Wolf.

Actually, portraying past fascists as left-wing is a current favorite of 
the right-wing shouting heads on television and radio.  Lie loud and 
long enough, and many will believe.

-- 
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

On 10/30/2010 1:18 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Tom Sherman �_�"<twshermanREMOVE@THISsouthslope.net>  wrote in message
> news:iag9tq$c45$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 10/29/2010 8:50 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> "Tom Sherman �_�"<twshermanREMOVE@THISsouthslope.net>   wrote in message
>>> news:iafg5q$6ea$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> On 10/29/2010 2:19 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>> Be thankful no one takes Usenet seriously or else you might be getting
>>>>> a
>>>>> visit from the Mossad.[...]
>>>>
>>>> They are too busy with false flag operations.  However, it would not be
>>>> surprising if they used violence to silence negative public opinion.
>>>
>>> You probably do not like our own intelligence services either. If Hitler
>>> had
>>> been assassinated early in his career a lot of trouble could have been
>>> avoided.
>>>
>> Violence of that sort is generally the provenance of the right-wing.
>
> Hitler was left-wing (NAZI means National Socialism). So was Stalin, Mao,
> Pol Pot - all mass murderers. The right-wing only kills by the handful, not
> the bucketful like the left-wing.
>
>>> Your positive opinion of the Palestinian terrorists is what is going to
>>> get
>>> us all killed. It is actually a form of treason. It is the chief reason
>>> why
>>> I hate liberals as much as I do.
>>>
>> So you think it was acceptable for the Israelis to kill U.S. sailors on
>> the USS Liberty?
>
> It was not intentional. What is your problem?
>
>> What is treasonous is for U.S. citizens, and particularly those in
>> government, to put the interests of a foreign country ahead of the U.S.
>
> What is treason is to give comfort to the enemy. You do that by sympathizing
> with Palestinian terrorists. Israel is our only reliable ally in the region
> and a true friend. What the Palestinian terrorists have done to Israel is
> what the Islamic terrorists mean to do to us. Apparently you will only
> awaken from your slumbers when you are being blown high sky by an Islamic
> nuclear weapon.
>
Oh Ed, you must stop listening to so much talk radio.

-- 
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

On Oct 31, 5:47 pm, Tom Sherman °_°
<twshermanREM...@THISsouthslope.net> wrote:
> On 10/30/2010 1:18 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> > "Tom Sherman _ "<twshermanREM...@THISsouthslope.net>  wrote in message
> >news:iag9tq$c45$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> On 10/29/2010 8:50 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> >>> "Tom Sherman _ "<twshermanREM...@THISsouthslope.net>   wrote in message
> >>>news:iafg5q$6ea$3@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>>> On 10/29/2010 2:19 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> >>>>> [...]
> >>>>> Be thankful no one takes Usenet seriously or else you might be getting
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> visit from the Mossad.[...]
>
> >>>> They are too busy with false flag operations.  However, it would not be
> >>>> surprising if they used violence to silence negative public opinion.
>
> >>> You probably do not like our own intelligence services either. If Hitler
> >>> had
> >>> been assassinated early in his career a lot of trouble could have been
> >>> avoided.
>
> >> Violence of that sort is generally the provenance of the right-wing.
>
> > Hitler was left-wing (NAZI means National Socialism). So was Stalin, Mao,
> > Pol Pot - all mass murderers. The right-wing only kills by the handful, not
> > the bucketful like the left-wing.
>
> >>> Your positive opinion of the Palestinian terrorists is what is going to
> >>> get
> >>> us all killed. It is actually a form of treason. It is the chief reason
> >>> why
> >>> I hate liberals as much as I do.
>
> >> So you think it was acceptable for the Israelis to kill U.S. sailors on
> >> the USS Liberty?
>
> > It was not intentional. What is your problem?
>
> >> What is treasonous is for U.S. citizens, and particularly those in
> >> government, to put the interests of a foreign country ahead of the U.S.
>
> > What is treason is to give comfort to the enemy. You do that by sympathizing
> > with Palestinian terrorists. Israel is our only reliable ally in the region
> > and a true friend. What the Palestinian terrorists have done to Israel is
> > what the Islamic terrorists mean to do to us. Apparently you will only
> > awaken from your slumbers when you are being blown high sky by an Islamic
> > nuclear weapon.
>
> Oh Ed, you must stop listening to so much talk radio.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
> I am a vehicular cyclist.

Actually, it seems the only things Saint Edward listens to is his own
mewling and the voices inside his head.

On 10/31/2010 8:57 AM, Tom Sherman �_� wrote:
> On 10/31/2010 10:25 AM, SMS wrote:
>> On 10/28/2010 12:04 PM, Bill Weir wrote:
>>> Mark your calendar.
>>>
>>> Date
>>> 12/10/2010
>>>
>>> Time
>>> 09:00 AM
>>>
>>> Dept.
>>> 111
>>>
>>> Proceeding
>>> JURY TRIAL
>>
>> Very surprising that no plea bargain was reached, but it's not too late.
>
> Not surprising when you consider the defendant is a whacko-nut.

Still, you'd think his lawyer would have been able to convince him to 
accept a plea bargain if one was offered. Could be the D.A. sees this as 
such an open and shut case that he/she wasn't willing to offer much. The 
fact that the mountain bikers were violating U.C.'s rules on bikes on 
trails is no defense. Nor is the fact that he probably only intended to 
scare them away and not do bodily harm. The fact that he admitted 
contacting one of the victims with the saw means that he can't claim 
that he never touched them. Should be an interesting trial.

"Wolf Leverich" <leverich@linkpendium.com> wrote in message 
news:slrnicrmrc.t0m.leverich@askin-17.linkpendium.com...
> On 2010-10-30, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>
>> Hitler was left-wing
>
>
> That single meme is arguably the most stupid thing I have
> heard in about three decades on USENET.
>
> And that's saying quite a lot.
>
> Love, Wolf.

First, get a dictionary definition of NAZI. Then read about the history of 
the movement in all its aspects. Finally, get back to me when you have done 
the aforementioned tasks and maybe we can discuss the subject intelligently.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Tom Sherman �_�" <twshermanREMOVE@THISsouthslope.net> wrote in message 
news:iakneq$idp$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 10/31/2010 4:11 PM, Wolf Leverich wrote:
>> On 2010-10-30, Edward Dolan<edolan@iw.net>  wrote:
>>
>>> Hitler was left-wing
>>
>>
>> That single meme is arguably the most stupid thing I have
>> heard in about three decades on USENET.
>>
>> And that's saying quite a lot.
>>
>> Love, Wolf.
>
> Actually, portraying past fascists as left-wing is a current favorite of 
> the right-wing shouting heads on television and radio.  Lie loud and long 
> enough, and many will believe.

"Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism; alternatively spelled 
Naziism" - Wikipedia

Socialism is right-wing?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"PMH" <pmhilton@myfairpoint.net> wrote in message 
news:85427606-4532-493e-a554-d4f78d66820f@c20g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 31, 5:47 pm, Tom Sherman
[...]
> Oh Ed, you must stop listening to so much talk radio.

>>Actually, it seems the only things Saint Edward listens to is his own
mewling and the voices inside his head.

Actually, I have given up on talk radio - too much advertising. Instead, I 
like my online Town Hall commentary articles, all written by good solid 
conservatives.

Tomorrow I go to vote and I am voting AGAINST every god damn liberal bastard 
in sight. They are all socialists (left-wingers) at heart as is Tom Sherman. 
After I have voted, I will watch Fox News exclusively in order to get the 
'right' view of the event. After all, we know the liberal media will be 
spinning it their way no matter what.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Tom Sherman �_�" <twshermanREMOVE@THISsouthslope.net> wrote in message 
news:iak3lf$4h8$1@news.eternal-september.org...
[...]
> Not surprising when you consider the defendant is a whacko-nut.

The only whacko-nut I know about for sure is one that goes by the name of 
Tom Sherman. He confuses Hitler with the Pope, not realizing that one is a 
lefty and the other is a righty. Why he does not attack the other lefties, 
like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, is a mystery to me since he does attack the 
Left-Wing Hitler. How was Hitler any different than Stalin?  They were both 
lefties to the core, just like Tom Sherman that way.

Alas, the only cure for Tom Sherman as I see it is the dreaded Spanish 
Inquisition. Any lesser treatment will not cure him of his 
liberal-socialist-communist fantasies.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On 11/1/2010 4:54 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Tom Sherman �_�"<twshermanREMOVE@THISsouthslope.net>  wrote in message
> news:iakneq$idp$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 10/31/2010 4:11 PM, Wolf Leverich wrote:
>>> On 2010-10-30, Edward Dolan<edolan@iw.net>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hitler was left-wing
>>>
>>>
>>> That single meme is arguably the most stupid thing I have
>>> heard in about three decades on USENET.
>>>
>>> And that's saying quite a lot.
>>>
>>> Love, Wolf.
>>
>> Actually, portraying past fascists as left-wing is a current favorite of
>> the right-wing shouting heads on television and radio.  Lie loud and long
>> enough, and many will believe.
>
> "Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism; alternatively spelled
> Naziism" - Wikipedia
>
> Socialism is right-wing?
>
Only Ed Dolan would accuse the Nazis of truth in advertising.  If Ed 
Dolan remembered his history, he would realize the Nazis purged the 
socialist elements: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives>.

-- 
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

On 11/1/2010 5:24 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
> Alas, the only cure for Tom Sherman as I see it is the dreaded Spanish
> Inquisition.

I wasn't expecting a kind of Inquisition!

> Any lesser treatment will not cure him of his
> liberal-socialist-communist fantasies.
>
Will they poke me with soft pillows with the stuffing all at one end, 
and make me sit in the Comfy Chair?

-- 
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

"Tom Sherman �_�" <twshermanREMOVE@THISsouthslope.net> wrote in message 
news:ianfsl$lmu$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 11/1/2010 4:54 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> "Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism; alternatively spelled
>> Naziism" - Wikipedia
>>
>> Socialism is right-wing?
>>
> Only Ed Dolan would accuse the Nazis of truth in advertising.  If Ed Dolan 
> remembered his history, he would realize the Nazis purged the socialist 
> elements: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives>.

Leftists always end up fighting among themselves sooner or later. Also, it 
is important how a group starts out, not how it ends up. Maybe you could 
have helped Hitler name his group better if you have been there along side 
him?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On 11/1/2010 3:57 PM, SMS wrote:
> On 10/31/2010 8:57 AM, Tom Sherman �_� wrote:
>> On 10/31/2010 10:25 AM, SMS wrote:
>>> On 10/28/2010 12:04 PM, Bill Weir wrote:
>>>> Mark your calendar.
>>>>
>>>> Date
>>>> 12/10/2010
>>>>
>>>> Time
>>>> 09:00 AM
>>>>
>>>> Dept.
>>>> 111
>>>>
>>>> Proceeding
>>>> JURY TRIAL
>>>
>>> Very surprising that no plea bargain was reached, but it's not too late.
>>
>> Not surprising when you consider the defendant is a whacko-nut.
>
> Still, you'd think his lawyer would have been able to convince him to
> accept a plea bargain if one was offered. Could be the D.A. sees this as
> such an open and shut case that he/she wasn't willing to offer much. The
> fact that the mountain bikers were violating U.C.'s rules on bikes on
> trails is no defense. Nor is the fact that he probably only intended to
> scare them away and not do bodily harm. The fact that he admitted
> contacting one of the victims with the saw means that he can't claim
> that he never touched them. Should be an interesting trial.

Maybe the plea deal included a ban on Usenet posting?

-- 
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

On Nov 1, 6:24 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:

>
> The only whacko-nut I know about for sure is one that goes by the name of
> . . . . .

Have you tried a mirror?

> Why . . . does not attack the other lefties,
> like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot,

Probably because they're dead.

On Nov 1, 4:49 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "Wolf Leverich" <lever...@linkpendium.com> wrote in message
>
> news:slrnicrmrc.t0m.leverich@askin-17.linkpendium.com...
>
> > On 2010-10-30, Edward Dolan <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
> >> Hitler was left-wing
>
> > That single meme is arguably the most stupid thing I have
> > heard in about three decades on USENET.
>
> > And that's saying quite a lot.
>
> > Love, Wolf.
>
> First, get a dictionary definition of NAZI. Then read about the history of
> the movement in all its aspects. Finally, get back to me when you have done
> the aforementioned tasks and maybe we can discuss the subject intelligently.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

The Nazi party was only socialist in name, they were fascists to the
core. Government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the
corporations forever. The purging of "useless eaters" was the opposite
of socialism, along with the bizarre racial philosophies.I suggest a
history book to go with that dictionary.

On Oct 28, 6:51 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "y_p_w" <y_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:13ee1446-2ce0-4d77-9075-eafcc0b3ea86@v20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 28, 12:04 pm, Bill Weir <billwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mark your calendar.
> >> "Lynn Valley B&B encounters the wrath of Vandeman"
>
> http://www.bclocalnews.com/community/105357658.html
>
> >> The following is referencing a letter Vandeman wrote to a little known
>
> bed & breakfast owner decrying his marketing towards mountain bike
> riders.
>
> >> **quote**
>
> For a laugh, Knowles decided to forward the letter to a couple friends
> at local mountain bike shops, and posted it to the blog on his
> business website. On Oct. 3, the day before Vandeman s letter
> arrived, the Lynn Valley Bed and Breakfast website had four visits. On
> Oct. 4, they had 552 hits. And on Oct. 5, 675. In total, their website
> has received 3,300 hits from 54 countries.
>
> >> He hasn t done his cause any good or bad, but he s done my cause a
>
> lot of good, said Knowles.
>
> >> I offered him free accommodation as a thank you. I doubt he ll take
>
> me up on it but the offer stands.
> **unquote**
>
> A bed and breakfast that caters to mountain bikers is beneath contempt. It
> is difficult to say what the ultimate good or bad is of a message that is
> communicated to 3,300 souls, even if most of them are slobs. Mr. Vandeman
> has accomplished exactly what he wished to accomplish, which is to get his
> message as widely disseminated as possible. Many mountain bikers have no
> idea how the rest of the world regards them. Now they do.

You mean how the criminal Vandeman and you regard mountain bikers.
Dissemination of a message and concurrence with a message are not one
and the same, and to think otherwise is to think like ... well, the
irrational and illogical twins ... Mike and Ed.

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On Nov 1, 6:37 pm, Tom Sherman °_°
<twshermanREM...@THISsouthslope.net> wrote:
> On 11/1/2010 3:57 PM, SMS wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 10/31/2010 8:57 AM, Tom Sherman _ wrote:
> >> On 10/31/2010 10:25 AM, SMS wrote:
> >>> On 10/28/2010 12:04 PM, Bill Weir wrote:
> >>>> Mark your calendar.
>
> >>>> Date
> >>>> 12/10/2010
>
> >>>> Time
> >>>> 09:00 AM
>
> >>>> Dept.
> >>>> 111
>
> >>>> Proceeding
> >>>> JURY TRIAL
>
> >>> Very surprising that no plea bargain was reached, but it's not too late.
>
> >> Not surprising when you consider the defendant is a whacko-nut.
>
> > Still, you'd think his lawyer would have been able to convince him to
> > accept a plea bargain if one was offered. Could be the D.A. sees this as
> > such an open and shut case that he/she wasn't willing to offer much. The
> > fact that the mountain bikers were violating U.C.'s rules on bikes on
> > trails is no defense. Nor is the fact that he probably only intended to
> > scare them away and not do bodily harm. The fact that he admitted
> > contacting one of the victims with the saw means that he can't claim
> > that he never touched them. Should be an interesting trial.
>
> Maybe the plea deal included a ban on Usenet posting?

... OR perhaps a year of community service as mountain bike mechanic?

> --
> Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
> I am a vehicular cyclist.

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:bff6dbfd-88ca-41a5-ac8b-44afd43e8ff9@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 28, 6:51 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
> A bed and breakfast that caters to mountain bikers is beneath contempt. It
> is difficult to say what the ultimate good or bad is of a message that is
> communicated to 3,300 souls, even if most of them are slobs. Mr. Vandeman
> has accomplished exactly what he wished to accomplish, which is to get his
> message as widely disseminated as possible. Many mountain bikers have no
> idea how the rest of the world regards them. Now they do.

>> You mean how the criminal Vandeman and you regard mountain bikers.
Dissemination of a message and concurrence with a message are not one
and the same, and to think otherwise is to think like ... well, the
irrational and illogical twins ... Mike and Ed.

Mr. Vandeman knows just as I do that repetition is the basis of all 
learning. Knowledge has to be pounded into dunderheads. There is no other 
way.

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Opus" <opusthepoet@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:49027865-9bb4-4f31-ab73-f7676c572bcc@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 1, 4:49 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]

> First, get a dictionary definition of NAZI. Then read about the history of
> the movement in all its aspects. Finally, get back to me when you have 
> done
> the aforementioned tasks and maybe we can discuss the subject 
> intelligently.

>> The Nazi party was only socialist in name, they were fascists to the
core. Government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the
corporations forever. The purging of "useless eaters" was the opposite
of socialism, along with the bizarre racial philosophies.I suggest a
history book to go with that dictionary.

It was strictly a leftist movement when it started out, not much different 
than any other socialism. How a movement ends up is another story. Communism 
was an even more "pure" form of socialism, but it ended up even worse. The 
truth is that none of them work without the application of severe force.

It amuses me no end that others think Hitler and his group did not know what 
they were doing and had mislabeled themselves. If he had ended his 
aggression at the seizure of the Sudetenland he would today be regarded 
higher than Bismarck and the Germans would be singing his praises for all 
eternity.

By the way, here is the sequence: liberalism to socialism to communism to 
... a failed society! Thugs end up running everything. Citizens become 
subjects. I prefer the old-fashioned oriental despotism myself of a 
Nebuchadnezzar because it is more honest.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"PMH" <pmhilton@myfairpoint.net> wrote in message 
news:1f1fd32e-fa35-4616-bfe3-4fb334088e71@t13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 1, 6:24 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> The only whacko-nut I know about for sure is one that goes by the name of
> . . . . .

>> Have you tried a mirror?

> Why . . . does not attack the other lefties,
> like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot,

>> Probably because they're dead.

So is Hitler, but that does not prevent Tom Sherman from thinking bad 
thoughts about him. So far as I know, he has never had any bad thoughts 
about Hitler's alter ego - Joe Stalin.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On Nov 2, 10:33 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bff6dbfd-88ca-41a5-ac8b-44afd43e8ff9@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 28, 6:51 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > A bed and breakfast that caters to mountain bikers is beneath contempt. It
> > is difficult to say what the ultimate good or bad is of a message that is
> > communicated to 3,300 souls, even if most of them are slobs. Mr. Vandeman
> > has accomplished exactly what he wished to accomplish, which is to get his
> > message as widely disseminated as possible. Many mountain bikers have no
> > idea how the rest of the world regards them. Now they do.
> >> You mean how the criminal Vandeman and you regard mountain bikers.
>
> Dissemination of a message and concurrence with a message are not one
> and the same, and to think otherwise is to think like ... well, the
> irrational and illogical twins ... Mike and Ed.
>
> Mr. Vandeman knows just as I do that repetition is the basis of all
> learning. Knowledge has to be pounded into dunderheads. There is no other
> way.

The first thing they'll teach in any public speaking course is that
you should "Tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em, then tell 'em, and
then tell 'em what you told 'em."  Unfortunately, Ed and Mike think
that's all there is to making one's point, with no substantiation
required.  Both expect,even demand, that readers to accept what they
say merely because they are the ones saying it.  Making an assertion,
failing to justify it, and then stating it again and again proves
nothing and impresses no one.  Argumentum ad nauseam (argument to the
point of disgust; i.e., by repetition) is a logical fallacy of trying
to prove something by saying it again and again.  Both Ed and Mike
employ this failed technique in many of their posts.  No matter how
many times either repeats something, it does not and will not become
any more true than it was with the first utterance.  This is an
elementary concept that neither Ed nor Mike have learned to recognize
and/or accept.  Before attempting to enlighten others, both are in
need of their own enlightenment.  Neither Ed No Mike have learned that
to be heard one must first learn to listen.  The conundrum continues!

>
> > Regards,
>
> > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > aka
> > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:4ad9a12c-b72a-4f7a-9353-b5425d005d18@u17g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 2, 10:33 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
> Mr. Vandeman knows just as I do that repetition is the basis of all
> learning. Knowledge has to be pounded into dunderheads. There is no other
> way.

>> The first thing they'll teach in any public speaking course is that
you should "Tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em, then tell 'em, and
then tell 'em what you told 'em."  Unfortunately, Ed and Mike think
that's all there is to making one's point, with no substantiation
required.  Both expect,even demand, that readers to accept what they
say merely because they are the ones saying it.  Making an assertion,
failing to justify it, and then stating it again and again proves
nothing and impresses no one.  Argumentum ad nauseam (argument to the
point of disgust; i.e., by repetition) is a logical fallacy of trying
to prove something by saying it again and again.  Both Ed and Mike
employ this failed technique in many of their posts.  No matter how
many times either repeats something, it does not and will not become
any more true than it was with the first utterance.  This is an
elementary concept that neither Ed nor Mike have learned to recognize
and/or accept.  Before attempting to enlighten others, both are in
need of their own enlightenment.  Neither Ed No Mike have learned that
to be heard one must first learn to listen.  The conundrum continues!

Both Mr. Vandeman and I will say what needs to be said, but we will not 
waste much time and effort on idiots. Most facts are self-evident, unless 
you are an idiot of course. Idiots should only talk to other idiots. It is 
why I recommend that you engage TM. You are out of your class with one so 
GREAT as MYSELF!

> > Regards,
>
> > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > aka
> > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On 2010-11-01, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
> "Wolf Leverich" <leverich@linkpendium.com> wrote in message 
> news:slrnicrmrc.t0m.leverich@askin-17.linkpendium.com...
>> On 2010-10-30, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hitler was left-wing
>>
>>
>> That single meme is arguably the most stupid thing I have
>> heard in about three decades on USENET.
>>
>> And that's saying quite a lot.
>>
>> Love, Wolf.
>
> First, get a dictionary definition of NAZI. Then read about the history of 
> the movement in all its aspects. Finally, get back to me when you have done 
> the aforementioned tasks and maybe we can discuss the subject intelligently.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


Ed -

I've forgotten more about history than you've learned in
your entire life.  Probably by more than an order of magnitude.

If I tell you that you've said something idiotic with respect
to history or political science, you have.  ;-)

Love, Wolf.

On Nov 4, 2:49 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4ad9a12c-b72a-4f7a-9353-b5425d005d18@u17g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 2, 10:33 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > Mr. Vandeman knows just as I do that repetition is the basis of all
> > learning. Knowledge has to be pounded into dunderheads. There is no other
> > way.
> >> The first thing they'll teach in any public speaking course is that
>
> you should "Tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em, then tell 'em, and
> then tell 'em what you told 'em."  Unfortunately, Ed and Mike think
> that's all there is to making one's point, with no substantiation
> required.  Both expect,even demand, that readers to accept what they
> say merely because they are the ones saying it.  Making an assertion,
> failing to justify it, and then stating it again and again proves
> nothing and impresses no one.  Argumentum ad nauseam (argument to the
> point of disgust; i.e., by repetition) is a logical fallacy of trying
> to prove something by saying it again and again.  Both Ed and Mike
> employ this failed technique in many of their posts.  No matter how
> many times either repeats something, it does not and will not become
> any more true than it was with the first utterance.  This is an
> elementary concept that neither Ed nor Mike have learned to recognize
> and/or accept.  Before attempting to enlighten others, both are in
> need of their own enlightenment.  Neither Ed nor Mike have learned that
> to be heard one must first learn to listen.  The conundrum continues!
>
> Both Mr. Vandeman and I will say what needs to be said,

AND few will listen and most will take issue whether they respond or
not.

> but we will not waste much time and effort on idiots.

You claim TM is an idiot and no matter what you say to the contrary
have devoted lots of time and effort to him.

> Most facts

FACTS ... from the guy who abhors facts and is all about opinion?

> are self-evident, unless
> you are an idiot of course. Idiots should only talk to other idiots. It is
> why I recommend that you engage TM. You are out of your class with one so
> GREAT as MYSELF!

I said it before, but since you keep repeating your recommendation, I
will again repeat that I have no interest to engage TM.  I will allow
you to fruitlessly struggle and embarrass yourself.  You are in a
class all your own alright, one into whose depths I hope never to
descend.

> > > Regards,
>
> > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > > aka
> > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

In article <slrnid5ljp.cac.leverich@askin-17.linkpendium.com>, Dr. Brian
Leverich says...
>
>On 2010-11-01, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>> "Wolf Leverich" <leverich@linkpendium.com> wrote in message 
>> news:slrnicrmrc.t0m.leverich@askin-17.linkpendium.com...
>>> On 2010-10-30, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hitler was left-wing
>>>
>>>
>>> That single meme is arguably the most stupid thing I have
>>> heard in about three decades on USENET.
>>>
>>> And that's saying quite a lot.
>>>
>>> Love, Wolf.
>>
>> First, get a dictionary definition of NAZI. Then read about the history of 
>> the movement in all its aspects. Finally, get back to me when you have done 
>> the aforementioned tasks and maybe we can discuss the subject intelligently.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>Ed -
>
>I've forgotten more about history than you've learned in
>your entire life.  

I have the same problem. I guess it comes with getting old.

Sorry, I couldn't resist that. :-)


>Probably by more than an order of magnitude.
>
>If I tell you that you've said something idiotic with respect
>to history or political science, you have.  ;-)
>
>Love, Wolf.

On 10/28/2010 1:01 PM, y_p_w wrote:

<snip>

> �I offered him free accommodation as a thank you. I doubt he�ll take
> me up on it but the offer stands.�
> **unquote**

It was nice of him to offer Vandeman free accommodation,  but hopefully 
the State of California will soon offer him the same deal for a much 
longer period of time, in a gated community, with three meals a day.

On 10/28/2010 3:31 PM, T. Keating wrote:

> Vandeman probably won't take up that offer if Canadian customs is
> doing their job..

<snip>

But he has no conviction yet. Unless the judge confiscated his passport 
he could go there prior to the trial.

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message 
news:4cd2f88a$0$22177$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> On 10/28/2010 1:01 PM, y_p_w wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> �I offered him free accommodation as a thank you. I doubt he�ll take
>> me up on it but the offer stands.�
>> **unquote**
>
> It was nice of him to offer Vandeman free accommodation,  but hopefully 
> the State of California will soon offer him the same deal for a much 
> longer period of time, in a gated community, with three meals a day.


Vandeman will be given an ankle bracelet and told to stay in his musty 
little apartment when he's not at work. There is no room at the gated 
communities in California.

On Nov 4, 11:16 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 10/28/2010 1:01 PM, y_p_w wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > I offered him free accommodation as a thank you. I doubt he ll take
> > me up on it but the offer stands.
> > **unquote**
>
> It was nice of him to offer Vandeman free accommodation,  but hopefully
> the State of California will soon offer him the same deal for a much
> longer period of time, in a gated community, with three meals a day.

The costs would probably be borne by Alameda County for a misdemeanor
conviction.  It would either be Santa Rita Jail in Dublin or the
smaller Dyer Detention Facility in Oakland.  I thought that the latter
was typically for those held awaiting trial, although they do seem to
hold a few convicted inmates.

On 04/11/10 11:45 AM, Jeff Strickland wrote:

> Vandeman will be given an ankle bracelet and told to stay in his musty
> little apartment when he's not at work. There is no room at the gated
> communities in California.

The minimum sentence for the felony is probation and a fine, the maximum 
is 4 years in State Prison. You're right, he'd likely get probation 
since it's a first offense.

"y_p_w" <y_p_w@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:3eb4b945-317f-429a-910c-dc67b7c25b20@w38g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 4, 11:16 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 10/28/2010 1:01 PM, y_p_w wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > I offered him free accommodation as a thank you. I doubt he ll take
> > me up on it but the offer stands.
> > **unquote**
>
> It was nice of him to offer Vandeman free accommodation, but hopefully
> the State of California will soon offer him the same deal for a much
> longer period of time, in a gated community, with three meals a day.

The costs would probably be borne by Alameda County for a misdemeanor
conviction.  It would either be Santa Rita Jail in Dublin or the
smaller Dyer Detention Facility in Oakland.  I thought that the latter
was typically for those held awaiting trial, although they do seem to
hold a few convicted inmates.



<JS>
They would have to plea bargain to the misdemeanor, he's been charged with 
felony assault for swinging his tree-saw at innocent people.


</JS>

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:772d0221-28f9-4a51-b986-accbd1a325bd@c16g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 4, 2:49 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
> but we will not waste much time and effort on idiots.

>> You claim TM is an idiot and no matter what you say to the contrary
have devoted lots of time and effort to him.

Copy and paste ...

> Most facts

>> FACTS ... from the guy who abhors facts and is all about opinion?

Facts are contemptible - the last refuge of scoundrels and cowards. I give 
you Tom Sherman as an example of the species.

> are self-evident, unless
> you are an idiot of course. Idiots should only talk to other idiots. It is
> why I recommend that you engage TM. You are out of your class with one so
> GREAT as MYSELF!

>> I said it before, but since you keep repeating your recommendation, I
will again repeat that I have no interest to engage TM.  I will allow
you to fruitlessly struggle and embarrass yourself.  You are in a
class all your own alright, one into whose depths I hope never to
descend.

You are already lower than TM since he is not a stalker like you.

> > > Regards,
>
> > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > > aka
> > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Dr. Brian Leverich" <leverich@linkpendium.com> wrote in message 
news:slrnid5ljp.cac.leverich@askin-17.linkpendium.com...
> On 2010-11-01, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>> "Wolf Leverich" <leverich@linkpendium.com> wrote in message
>> news:slrnicrmrc.t0m.leverich@askin-17.linkpendium.com...
>>> On 2010-10-30, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hitler was left-wing
>>>
>>>
>>> That single meme is arguably the most stupid thing I have
>>> heard in about three decades on USENET.
>>>
>>> And that's saying quite a lot.
>>>
>>> Love, Wolf.
>>
>> First, get a dictionary definition of NAZI. Then read about the history 
>> of
>> the movement in all its aspects. Finally, get back to me when you have 
>> done
>> the aforementioned tasks and maybe we can discuss the subject 
>> intelligently.
>
> Ed -
>
> I've forgotten more about history than you've learned in
> your entire life.  Probably by more than an order of magnitude.

If you learned whatever it is you think you know in an academic institution, 
then you have been brainwashed. All academics are liberal bastards - and 
gutless into the bargain too!

> If I tell you that you've said something idiotic with respect
> to history or political science, you have.  ;-)

Hitler was left-wing! Obama is left-wing too! But apparently not left-wing 
enough for Tom Sherman. Only a Stalin comes up to his high standards.

Glad I was able to clear everything up for you.

>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:iavap9$si7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
[...]
> They would have to plea bargain to the misdemeanor, he's been charged with 
> felony assault for swinging his tree-saw at innocent people.

What innocent people would that be? The mountain bikers? We KNOW they were 
the instigators because all mountain bikers who ride their bikes on hiking 
trails are asshole-idiots. It I had my way, they would be summarily executed 
on the spot. And then we hikers and all true lovers of wilderness would line 
up to piss on their graves. I say fuck'em!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message 
news:29b10$4cd33f1c$d8106f5c$17123@KNOLOGY.NET...
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
> news:iavap9$si7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> [...]
>> They would have to plea bargain to the misdemeanor, he's been charged 
>> with felony assault for swinging his tree-saw at innocent people.
>
> What innocent people would that be? The mountain bikers? We KNOW they were 
> the instigators because all mountain bikers who ride their bikes on hiking 
> trails are asshole-idiots. It I had my way, they would be summarily 
> executed on the spot. And then we hikers and all true lovers of wilderness 
> would line up to piss on their graves. I say fuck'em!
>



Your view and the law are not aligned on this one. Your butt-buddy, 
Vandeman, assaulted people with a saw. That is felony assault, if he is 
convicted. Nobody gives a rat's ass how "innocent" the bike riders are, they 
didn't assault anybody. So, we all say, fuck you. Fuck you.

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:iavj5t$oq6$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message 
> news:29b10$4cd33f1c$d8106f5c$17123@KNOLOGY.NET...
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
>> news:iavap9$si7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> [...]
>>> They would have to plea bargain to the misdemeanor, he's been charged 
>>> with felony assault for swinging his tree-saw at innocent people.
>>
>> What innocent people would that be? The mountain bikers? We KNOW they 
>> were the instigators because all mountain bikers who ride their bikes on 
>> hiking trails are asshole-idiots. It I had my way, they would be 
>> summarily executed on the spot. And then we hikers and all true lovers of 
>> wilderness would line up to piss on their graves. I say fuck'em!
>
> Your view and the law are not aligned on this one. Your butt-buddy, 
> Vandeman, assaulted people with a saw. That is felony assault, if he is 
> convicted. Nobody gives a rat's ass how "innocent" the bike riders are, 
> they didn't assault anybody. So, we all say, fuck you. Fuck you.

Your asshole-idiot criminal mountain bikers are guilty as hell of being 
where they were not suppose to be. If we had a sane society, instead of a 
fucked-up California, they would be publicly pilloried and spat upon by the 
women and children of the land. Only I am of high enough status to piss on 
them.

Instead we have a criminal off-road motorist like you who wants to drive his 
g.d. jeep wherever. Get off your lazy ass and hike the trails like God and 
Saint Edward the Great intended. You will feel better both physically and 
mentally and not want to write bad words like "fuck you". Otherwise I am 
afraid you are a prime candidate for the dreaded Spanish Inquisition!

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On 11/4/2010 9:00 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...] Otherwise I am
> afraid you are a prime candidate for the dreaded Spanish Inquisition!

The Spanish Inquisition in action: 
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uprjmoSMJ-o>.

-- 
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

On Nov 4, 5:29 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in message
>
> news:29b10$4cd33f1c$d8106f5c$17123@KNOLOGY.NET...
>
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:iavap9$si7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> > [...]
> >> They would have to plea bargain to the misdemeanor, he's been charged
> >> with felony assault for swinging his tree-saw at innocent people.
>
> > What innocent people would that be? The mountain bikers? We KNOW they were
> > the instigators because all mountain bikers who ride their bikes on hiking
> > trails are asshole-idiots. It I had my way, they would be summarily
> > executed on the spot. And then we hikers and all true lovers of wilderness
> > would line up to piss on their graves. I say fuck'em!
>
> Your view and the law are not aligned on this one. Your butt-buddy,
> Vandeman, assaulted people with a saw. That is felony assault, if he is
> convicted. Nobody gives a rat's ass how "innocent" the bike riders are, they
> didn't assault anybody.

Yeah - it's a wide fire road with signage and enforcement that's been
spotty at best as to whether or not it was actually against the rules
to ride a bicycle there.  It's wide enough for large maintenance
vehicles, and hardly singletrack.  I've never heard of UCPD arresting
or even citing anyone for riding a bike there.

http://www.wikiloc.com/wikiloc/view.do?id=224452

The question I'd like to know is why Vandeman was on University of
California property with a handsaw - likely carried in order to do
unauthorized trail maintenance?

There are signs all over campus stating that the right to pass on
University property can be revoked.  I could imagine staying off of UC
property could be a condition of a sentence.

"y_p_w" <y_p_w@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:88395e3b-04ec-4514-a548-27f122ff3c24@z22g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 4, 5:29 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in message
>
> news:29b10$4cd33f1c$d8106f5c$17123@KNOLOGY.NET...
>
> > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:iavap9$si7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> > [...]
> >> They would have to plea bargain to the misdemeanor, he's been charged
> >> with felony assault for swinging his tree-saw at innocent people.
>
> > What innocent people would that be? The mountain bikers? We KNOW they 
> > were
> > the instigators because all mountain bikers who ride their bikes on 
> > hiking
> > trails are asshole-idiots. It I had my way, they would be summarily
> > executed on the spot. And then we hikers and all true lovers of 
> > wilderness
> > would line up to piss on their graves. I say fuck'em!
>
> Your view and the law are not aligned on this one. Your butt-buddy,
> Vandeman, assaulted people with a saw. That is felony assault, if he is
> convicted. Nobody gives a rat's ass how "innocent" the bike riders are, 
> they
> didn't assault anybody.

>>>> Yeah - it's a wide fire road with signage and enforcement that's been
spotty at best as to whether or not it was actually against the rules
to ride a bicycle there.  It's wide enough for large maintenance
vehicles, and hardly singletrack.  I've never heard of UCPD arresting
or even citing anyone for riding a bike there.

Of course not! The whole state of California is so fucked-up it doesn't know 
whether it is coming or going. The only state more fucked up than California 
is Minnesota. Both states are infested with liberals like Tom Sherman. What 
the hell do you expect?

All mountain bikers who ride their bikes on hiking trails should be drawn 
and quartered. After that, they can be remanded to the Spanish Inquisition 
who will know how to dispose of their rotten souls.

Ed Dolan the Great in congruence with Saint Edward the Great says fuck'em!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Tom Sherman �_�" <twshermanREMOVE@THISsouthslope.net> wrote in message 
news:iavpie$rnp$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 11/4/2010 9:00 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> [...] Otherwise I am
>> afraid you are a prime candidate for the dreaded Spanish Inquisition!
>
> The Spanish Inquisition in action: 
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uprjmoSMJ-o>.

Woe to those who do not believe in the Spanish Inquisition! Tom Sherman 
believes in liberalism, socialism and communism (and maybe the unicorn fot 
all I know) ... but not the Spanish Inquisition. Yea, he will surely reap 
the tortures of the comfy chair and then he will be sorry!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On 11/5/2010 12:55 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Tom Sherman �_�"<twshermanREMOVE@THISsouthslope.net>  wrote in message
> news:iavpie$rnp$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 11/4/2010 9:00 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> [...] Otherwise I am
>>> afraid you are a prime candidate for the dreaded Spanish Inquisition!
>>
>> The Spanish Inquisition in action:
>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uprjmoSMJ-o>.
>
> Woe to those who do not believe in the Spanish Inquisition! Tom Sherman
> believes in liberalism, socialism and communism (and maybe the unicorn fot

<http://mingle2.com/dating/unicorn>

> all I know) ... but not the Spanish Inquisition. Yea, he will surely reap
> the tortures of the comfy chair and then he will be sorry!
>
Not the Comfy Chair!

-- 
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

"Tom Sherman �_�" <twshermanREMOVE@THISsouthslope.net> wrote in message 
news:ib09eu$eoo$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 11/5/2010 12:55 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Tom Sherman �_�"<twshermanREMOVE@THISsouthslope.net>  wrote in message
>> news:iavpie$rnp$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 11/4/2010 9:00 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>> [...] Otherwise I am
>>>> afraid you are a prime candidate for the dreaded Spanish Inquisition!
>>>
>>> The Spanish Inquisition in action:
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uprjmoSMJ-o>.
>>
>> Woe to those who do not believe in the Spanish Inquisition! Tom Sherman
>> believes in liberalism, socialism and communism (and maybe the unicorn 
>> [...]
>
> <http://mingle2.com/dating/unicorn>

I attribute Tom Sherman's lowly sense of humor to a scientific and technical 
education (he is a civil engineer). If he had majored in the liberal arts 
like me he would be totally devoid of a sense of humor. We scholars think 
the universe is about as funny as warmed over death.

Yea, I have not had a good laugh since I was 12 years old. I think it was 
due to a Laurel and Hardy short film about them having a fracas with their 
wives. I decided then and there that I never wanted to be married. Instead 
here I am 60 years later saddled with 12 cats who are eating me out of house 
and home.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On Nov 4, 5:15 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:772d0221-28f9-4a51-b986-accbd1a325bd@c16g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 4, 2:49 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > but we will not waste much time and effort on idiots.
> >> You claim TM is an idiot and no matter what you say to the contrary
>
> have devoted lots of time and effort to him.
>
> Copy and paste ...
>
> > Most facts
> >> FACTS ... from the guy who abhors facts and is all about opinion?
>
> Facts are contemptible - the last refuge of scoundrels and cowards. I give
> you Tom Sherman as an example of the species.
>
> > are self-evident, unless
> > you are an idiot of course. Idiots should only talk to other idiots. It is
> > why I recommend that you engage TM. You are out of your class with one so
> > GREAT as MYSELF!
> >> I said it before, but since you keep repeating your recommendation, I
>
> will again repeat that I have no interest to engage TM.  I will allow
> you to fruitlessly struggle and embarrass yourself.  You are in a
> class all your own alright, one into whose depths I hope never to
> descend.
>
> You are already lower than TM since he is not a stalker like you.

AND you who are a troll as well!

> > > > Regards,
>
> > > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > > > aka
> > > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On Nov 4, 6:17 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:iavap9$si7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> [...]
>
> > They would have to plea bargain to the misdemeanor, he's been charged with
> > felony assault for swinging his tree-saw at innocent people.
>
> What innocent people would that be? The mountain bikers? We KNOW they were
> the instigators because all mountain bikers who ride their bikes on hiking
> trails are asshole-idiots. It I had my way, they would be summarily executed
> on the spot. And then we hikers and all true lovers of wilderness would line
> up to piss on their graves. I say fuck'em!

HEAD Dolan the GRATE ... ever the voice of reason!!!

>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On 11/4/2010 3:06 PM, Jeff Strickland wrote:
> "y_p_w"<y_p_w@hotmail.com>  wrote in message
> news:3eb4b945-317f-429a-910c-dc67b7c25b20@w38g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 4, 11:16 am, SMS<scharf.ste...@geemail.com>  wrote:
>> On 10/28/2010 1:01 PM, y_p_w wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> I offered him free accommodation as a thank you. I doubt he ll take
>>> me up on it but the offer stands.
>>> **unquote**
>>
>> It was nice of him to offer Vandeman free accommodation, but hopefully
>> the State of California will soon offer him the same deal for a much
>> longer period of time, in a gated community, with three meals a day.
>
> The costs would probably be borne by Alameda County for a misdemeanor
> conviction.  It would either be Santa Rita Jail in Dublin or the
> smaller Dyer Detention Facility in Oakland.  I thought that the latter
> was typically for those held awaiting trial, although they do seem to
> hold a few convicted inmates.
>
>
>
> <JS>
> They would have to plea bargain to the misdemeanor, he's been charged with
> felony assault for swinging his tree-saw at innocent people.

I checked the minimum sentence requirements for his alleged crime, and 
jail is not required even for a felony conviction. He could get a fine 
and probation if convicted.

On 04/11/10 9:25 PM, y_p_w wrote:

> Yeah - it's a wide fire road with signage and enforcement that's been
> spotty at best as to whether or not it was actually against the rules
> to ride a bicycle there.  It's wide enough for large maintenance
> vehicles, and hardly singletrack.  I've never heard of UCPD arresting
> or even citing anyone for riding a bike there.

Often a property owner will put signs up to limit their liability in 
case of an accident. If a cyclist got injured on a road that's signed 
"No Bicycles" then the property owner isn't responsible for maintaining 
the road in a condition safe for cyclists. In this case, clearly the 
property owner was fine with bicycles using that road since they did not 
enforce the ban. In any case, the fact that the bicyclists were breaking 
UC rules has no bearing on the facts of the attack.

 > The question I'd like to know is why Vandeman was on University of
 > California property with a handsaw - likely carried in order to do
 > unauthorized trail maintenance?
 >
 > There are signs all over campus stating that the right to pass on
 > University property can be revoked.  I could imagine staying off of UC
 > property could be a condition of a sentence.

With or without a conviction, UC has the right to ban him from their 
property.

On 28/10/10 1:01 PM, y_p_w wrote:
> On Oct 28, 12:04 pm, Bill Weir<billwei...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Mark your calendar.
>
> "Lynn Valley B&B encounters the wrath of Vandeman"
> http://www.bclocalnews.com/community/105357658.html
>
> The following is referencing a letter Vandeman wrote to a little known
> bed&  breakfast owner decrying his marketing towards mountain bike
> riders.
>
> **quote**
> For a laugh, Knowles decided to forward the letter to a couple friends
> at local mountain bike shops, and posted it to the blog on his
> business� website. On Oct. 3, the day before Vandeman�s letter
> arrived, the Lynn Valley Bed and Breakfast website had four visits. On
> Oct. 4, they had 552 hits. And on Oct. 5, 675. In total, their website
> has received 3,300 hits from 54 countries.
>
> �He hasn�t done his cause any good or bad, but he�s done my cause a
> lot of good,� said Knowles.
>
> �I offered him free accommodation as a thank you. I doubt he�ll take
> me up on it but the offer stands.�
> **unquote**

I sent the owner this image "http://i51.tinypic.com/x5ccjt.jpg" and he 
got a big kick out of it.

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message 
news:4cd444f7$0$22131$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> On 04/11/10 9:25 PM, y_p_w wrote:
>
>> Yeah - it's a wide fire road with signage and enforcement that's been
>> spotty at best as to whether or not it was actually against the rules
>> to ride a bicycle there.  It's wide enough for large maintenance
>> vehicles, and hardly singletrack.  I've never heard of UCPD arresting
>> or even citing anyone for riding a bike there.
>
> Often a property owner will put signs up to limit their liability in case 
> of an accident. If a cyclist got injured on a road that's signed "No 
> Bicycles" then the property owner isn't responsible for maintaining the 
> road in a condition safe for cyclists. In this case, clearly the property 
> owner was fine with bicycles using that road since they did not enforce 
> the ban. In any case, the fact that the bicyclists were breaking UC rules 
> has no bearing on the facts of the attack.

The last time I looked UC was a governmental entity.

> > The question I'd like to know is why Vandeman was on University of
> > California property with a handsaw - likely carried in order to do
> > unauthorized trail maintenance?
> >
> > There are signs all over campus stating that the right to pass on
> > University property can be revoked.  I could imagine staying off of UC
> > property could be a condition of a sentence.
>
> With or without a conviction, UC has the right to ban him from their 
> property.

Just as UC has the right to ban cyclists from using that particular trail.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message 
news:4cd4132a$0$22160$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
[...]
> I checked the minimum sentence requirements for his alleged crime, and 
> jail is not required even for a felony conviction. He could get a fine and 
> probation if convicted.

Or how about a bottle of champagne from the hiking community to celebrate a 
couple of rogue criminal asshole mountain bikers being given a proper 
comeuppance. I only regret that their heads were not taken off! I think an 
ax would work better for that though.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota 

On 09/11/10 7:01 PM, Wolf Leverich wrote:
> On 2010-11-09, y_p_w<y_p_w@hotmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> I would think that the Sierra Club might be a bigger stickler for
>> rules, and might ask the local FS offices for written permission to
>> perform the trail maintenance.  I wouldn't guess that Mr Vandeman ever
>> asked any UC personnel for written permission.
>
>
> The contemporary Sierra Club *is* a bigger stickler, which is
> why we don't organizationally do anything other than sanctioned
> trail maintenance in support of land managers.
>
> Individuals acting without Club sanction may be maintaining
> routes that have existed for many decades.
>
> Cheers, Wolf.

The various Sierra Club entities sometimes are not on the same page. I'm 
a long-time Sierra Club member and in a recent referendum in my city I 
cited the national Sierra Club web site on the issue of urban sprawl 
(building massive amounts of housing away from mass transit):

    "New development puts more children in suburban schools, ... does
    not pay for the new schools that inevitably must be built."

    "Poorly planned development is threatening our environment, our
    health, and our quality of life."

Well we strongly agreed with the Sierra Club's position so we quoted it. 
The local chapter went crazy because they are in strongly in favor of 
such sprawl and development. Our campaign got a nasty-gram from the 
local chapter claiming that we were implying Sierra Club endorsement, 
when in fact all we did was literally quote the Sierra Club web site. 
They demanded that we not use the Sierra Club's name in our campaign 
material, but of course they could not stop us. The National Sierra Club 
quickly removed the quotes we used from their web site!

"Tom Sherman �_�" <twshermanREMOVE@THISsouthslope.net> wrote in message 
news:ibfo2v$960$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 11/10/2010 8:58 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> The Sierra Club ceased doing any good ages ago. It belongs to another 
>> era. I
>> say fuck'em!
>
> Ed, have you received counseling for your odd sexual hangups?

High mindedness is wasted on these newsgroups since they are composed almost 
solely of asshole-idiots. I want to be fully understood above all else. Any 
doubt as to what I think of the Sierra Club?

The trouble with your posts is that they lack feeling. Consequently, they 
are dull to the point of exasperation. The only sin on Usenet is to be dull. 
THAT I have never been guilty of.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota