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Started by Ronda M Devold
Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:39
2nd RFD: rec.wildlife
Author: Ronda M Devold
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:39
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:39
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Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
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WILDLIFE NEWSGROUP PROPOSAL
2nd RFD: FORMAL Request for Discussion (modified from original RFD)
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Changes in this 2nd RFD that are new:
1. The NEW proposed name of this newsgroup is "rec.wildlife"
- this was changed in response to an overwhelming support for
this name rather than the former "rec.animals.wildlife"
2. Specific rules for exclusion of the following topics (and more
appropriate places to post these topics):
TOPIC: APPROPRIATE GROUP TO POST TO:
animal rights issues talk.politics.animals
hunting/fishing rec.hunting
wildlife as pets rec.pets (possibly) or alt.wolves, etc.
3. Request to refrain from cross-posting to related groups (ex: to sci.*
groups, to rec.pets* groups, etc.) An exception would be if your post
could ONLY be answered by someone say, that is a professional biologist
(as an example).
4. Suggestions for possible future subgroups under rec.wildlife
- rec.wildlife.rehab
- rec.wildlife.conservation
- rec.wildlife.captive
- rec.wildlife.observation
The above modifications were made as a result of many suggestions posted
to news.groups after the original RFD was posted. (Thank you everyone for
your suggestions.)
The following is the modified (2nd) RFD:
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This is a formal request for discussion of the creation of
the newsgroup "rec.wildlife"
Group name: rec.wildlife
Status: unmoderated
Distribution: world wide
Summary: open to discussion of all issues and topics pertaining
to wildlife (except hunting, fishing, animal rights, and
pet topics)
Proposed by: Ronda DeVold
licensed wildlife rehabilitator, biologist, and
registered veterinary technologist
Fargo, North Dakota
email: devold@badlands.nodak.edu
CHARTER / RATIONALE / RULES
This newsgroup will be open to discussion of all topics relating to
wildlife. (The exceptions to this are hunting, fishing, pet, and
animal-rights topics. There are presently newsgroups that relate to each
of the specific areas are they are best treated there (see below).
The following are topics which are NOT APPROPRIATE for this group. Please
note the more appropriate groups to post these topics to (suggestions):
TOPIC: APPROPRIATE GROUP TO POST TO:
animal rights issues talk.politics.animals
hunting/fishing rec.hunting, rec.outdoors.fishing
wildlife as pets rec.pets (possibly) or alt.wolves, etc.
Also, please refrain from cross-posting to related groups (ex: to sci.*
groups, to rec.pets* groups, etc.) An exception would be if your post
could ONLY be answered by someone say, that is a professional biologist
(as an example).
Need for the group:
Surveying the current newsgroups (especially the animal-oriented
ones), there are frequently questions and comments relating to wildlife.
Often, once sees articles posted such as "what do I do about an injured
baby bird that I found?" Or even, "what is the prevalence of rabies in
the local skunk population?" etc. etc. Often, these topics are NOT
relevant to the group's main focus, but the posters must feel that in
these groups, someone who is interested in animals might know something
to answer their questions.
This newsgroup could be a place where those interested in wildlife
topics of any kind could talk about various issues, get wildlife
questions answered, converse with those involved in wildlife fields
professionally, discuss scientific issues, and so on. This could include
discussions by wildlife biologists, zoologists, and wildlife
rehabilitators. There are not currently any groups that specifically
allow these possibilities. This newsgroup would be a "companion" group
to the mailing list "wlrehab" which was recently created to meet
the specific needs of professional wildlife rehabilitators. Having the
newsgroup rec.wildlife would allow a mechanism for the general public
(and professionals) to get their questions answered and to discuss
pertinent topics.
Suggestions for possible future subgroups under rec.wildlife
- rec.wildlife.rehab
- rec.wildlife.conservation
- rec.wildlife.captive
- rec.wildlife.observation
DISCUSSION / VOTING:
The discussion period for the creation of this group will be underway
for the next 21-30 days. (NOTE: 28 days have already past since the original
RFD posting). During this time, responses to the creation of this group will
be gathered. To comment on this proposed group, please post directly to
"news.groups".
At the end of the 30 days, there will be a call for votes (CFV). This
will be in the form of a post sent to news.announce.newgroups and to
news.groups. The CFV should be posted sometime after Nov. 19 and will
be conducted by an independent votetaker. If there are 100 or more
people (and a 2/3 majority) who vote "YES" for the creation of this group
rec.wildlife, it will then be created.
Again, please address any comments to "news.groups".
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Ronda DeVold devold@badlands.NoDak.edu Fargo, ND
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Re: 2nd RFD: rec.wildlife
Author: Eugene N. Miya
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:03
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:03
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In article <CzH29o.Iwt@ns1.nodak.edu> devold@badlands.NoDak.edu
(Ronda M Devold) writes:
>WILDLIFE NEWSGROUP PROPOSAL
>2nd RFD: FORMAL Request for Discussion (modified from original RFD)
>========================================================================
>Status: unmoderated
Then cites the following exclusionary text:
1>Changes in this 2nd RFD that are new:
1>2. Specific rules for exclusion of the following topics (and more
1> appropriate places to post these topics):
1> TOPIC: APPROPRIATE GROUP TO POST TO:
2>CHARTER / RATIONALE / RULES
2>The following are topics which are NOT APPROPRIATE for this group. Please
2>note the more appropriate groups to post these topics to (suggestions):
2> TOPIC: APPROPRIATE GROUP TO POST TO:
3> This newsgroup will be open to discussion of all topics relating to
3>wildlife. (The exceptions to this are hunting, fishing, pet, and
3>animal-rights topics.
It is essentially impossible to exclude unless a group is moderated.
You can flame people all they want, but only moderation offers an
exclusion mechanism. I have a hard time justifying rec groups as as
moderated groups (rec.hunting was one group). Sci.* groups are better for
moderation.
I have no objection if you want to make it a sci.* group, but you might
as well throw this exclusion stuff out. It is for all practical intents
and purposes unenforceable.
>3. Request to refrain from cross-posting to related groups (ex: to sci.*
> groups, to rec.pets* groups, etc.) An exception would be if your post
> could ONLY be answered by someone say, that is a professional biologist
> (as an example).
You have just crossposted some nine groups.
The problem isn't cross-posting per se by crossposting and failing to
cut down on the follow ups. Done.
>Need for the group:
> Surveying the current newsgroups (especially the animal-oriented
>ones), there are frequently questions and comments relating to wildlife.
Please address the failings of the sci and alt hierarchies as cross posted.
Thanks.
>Often, one sees articles posted such as "what do I do about an injured
>baby bird that I found?" Or even, "what is the prevalence of rabies in
>the local skunk population?" etc. etc. Often, these topics are NOT
>relevant to the group's main focus, but the posters must feel that in
>these groups, someone who is interested in animals might know something
>to answer their questions.
It is the poster's responsibility to make an effort to to determine what
group is appropriate. We have thousands of groups, and increasingly people
are proposing groups which already exist having made no effort to search,
to read news.announce.newusers, etc. It's not completely their fault.
The rabies question falls perfectly into the realm of sci.bio
and many others can fall else where. This is not opposition to
your group: I want to hear a well reasoned justification.
--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
{uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
My 3rd favorite use of a flame thrower is "Fahrenheit 451."
A Ref: Uncommon Sense, Alan Cromer, Oxford Univ. Press, 1993.
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