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Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
> 
> I'm thinking of making a Cheap and Nasty livewell for the Campion - something
> that will just hang off the stern and keep a dozen herring alive for the
> afternoon.
>    My design would be a Rubbermaid plastic container with some holes near the
> top, and a cheap ($20) bilge-pump with a short hose. I plop the bilge pump into
> the water, put the hose in the livewell, and voila! Fresh water in, stale water
> out. (By "fresh" I mean new - it will be saltwater, of course!)
>    I notice many livewells do not use "fresh" water - they just recirc and
> aerate. This design would be simpler - is it as good? Will stale, aerated water
> keep the fish alive?
>    Also, should I go for a shallow, wide container, or is a deep container (like
> a wastebasket) better?
> 
> Lloyd Sumpter
> Campion 18 - maybe going fishin' this weekend!


I've seen charter boats with the big industrial garbage cans, with a
similar setup.  I think a deep container would work better, because you
could fill it only half full, and it would be fairly splashproof.  I
also think that I would figure some way out to put a fitting for an
outflow hose, so that you could have the outflow go back out into the
water.  Fresh water is better, unless you go through polluted water.

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
> 
> I'm thinking of making a Cheap and Nasty livewell for the Campion - something
> that will just hang off the stern and keep a dozen herring alive for the
> afternoon.
>    My design would be a Rubbermaid plastic container with some holes near the
> top, and a cheap ($20) bilge-pump with a short hose. I plop the bilge pump into
> the water, put the hose in the livewell, and voila! Fresh water in, stale water
> out. (By "fresh" I mean new - it will be saltwater, of course!)
>    I notice many livewells do not use "fresh" water - they just recirc and
> aerate. This design would be simpler - is it as good? Will stale, aerated water
> keep the fish alive?

Not, typically, salt water fish or baits. 

>    Also, should I go for a shallow, wide container, or is a deep container (like
> a wastebasket) better?

Since you are so keen on saving money, how about used colostomy bags? :>}

Seriously, there is a kit available for about $30 that converts an igloo
cooler into a livewell. There are brackets that allow you to hang the cooler
off the transom, if that is what you want. Also seen a bag baitwell system. 

-- 
Harry Krause
------------

It's going to require numerous IRA agents. -GW Bush

I have a bait bag.  Slips into 2 brackets that are permantently mounted to
the transom.  I fould it was much easier, and about the same cost to buy a
transom livewell pump assy.  Comes the pump, and bracket and a tube that
sticks into the water that picks up water when you are running and the pump
is above the waterline, with a checkvalve to make it all work.  Was about
$80 US for the pump.  The people I made the bait bag are not in business,
but they are available.
Bill
p.s.
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/commerce/command/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=201
&prrfnbr=12340&outlet=
is a picture of a bag.  Do not know if WM's comes with the pump.

"Lloyd Sumpter" <lsumpter@home.com> wrote in message
news:3AD1EF12.45EF6BF@home.com...
> I'm thinking of making a Cheap and Nasty livewell for the Campion -
something
> that will just hang off the stern and keep a dozen herring alive for the
> afternoon.
>    My design would be a Rubbermaid plastic container with some holes near
the
> top, and a cheap ($20) bilge-pump with a short hose. I plop the bilge pump
into
> the water, put the hose in the livewell, and voila! Fresh water in, stale
water
> out. (By "fresh" I mean new - it will be saltwater, of course!)
>    I notice many livewells do not use "fresh" water - they just recirc and
> aerate. This design would be simpler - is it as good? Will stale, aerated
water
> keep the fish alive?
>    Also, should I go for a shallow, wide container, or is a deep container
(like
> a wastebasket) better?
>
> Lloyd Sumpter
> Campion 18 - maybe going fishin' this weekend!

hkrause@capuantispam.net wrote:
> 
> Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
> >
> > I'm thinking of making a Cheap and Nasty livewell for the Campion - something
> > that will just hang off the stern and keep a dozen herring alive for the
> > afternoon.
> >    My design would be a Rubbermaid plastic container with some holes near the
> > top, and a cheap ($20) bilge-pump with a short hose. I plop the bilge pump into
> > the water, put the hose in the livewell, and voila! Fresh water in, stale water
> > out. (By "fresh" I mean new - it will be saltwater, of course!)
> >    I notice many livewells do not use "fresh" water - they just recirc and
> > aerate. This design would be simpler - is it as good? Will stale, aerated water
> > keep the fish alive?
> 
> Not, typically, salt water fish or baits.
> 
> >    Also, should I go for a shallow, wide container, or is a deep container (like
> > a wastebasket) better?
> 
> Since you are so keen on saving money, how about used ? :>}
> 
> Seriously, there is a kit available for about $30 that converts an igloo
> cooler into a livewell. There are brackets that allow you to hang the cooler
> off the transom, if that is what you want. Also seen a bag baitwell system.
> 
   Thanks!
   I suspect a colostomy bag is more expensive than a wastebasket ;)
   Also, I'm expecting my whole system to cost under $30CDN, but I will look
into the conversion kit. Don't think I need the insulation you pay for in a
cooler.
   Yes, most livewells around here are hang-off-the-transom design, even in the
charter boats. It frees up room in the cockpit, and allows the water to simply
overflow (usually through holes) instead of requiring a hose and thru-hull.
Spent a very restless night docked next to a charter boat that had his livewell
running all night (sound of pump and splashing water), then fired up and left
around 6am.

Lloyd Sumpter
Campion 18

So it doesn't pump in fresh water all the time, just recirc's it? Does it
keep the fish alive? That would be a MUCH simpler system to build - don't need a
way to pick up the water, esp. while underway.

   (The main noise from that charter boat was the water spilling back into the
ocean - it was a replace-the-water type system)

Lloyd Sumpter
Campion 18

Karl Denninger wrote:
> 
> Mine is in the floor; it has both a circulation/fill pump and one to empty
> it when you're done for the day.
> 
> The circ pump died recently; I replaced it with a Shurflow magnetic drive
> one that is a LOT quieter.  If you can hear that its on you're probably on
> board; I doubt it would disturb you in an anchorage :-)
> 
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> In article <3AD1FED4.2D8E22A3@home.com>,
> Lloyd Sumpter  <lsumpter@home.com> wrote:
> >hkrause@capuantispam.net wrote:
> >>
> >> Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'm thinking of making a Cheap and Nasty livewell for the Campion - something
> >> > that will just hang off the stern and keep a dozen herring alive for the
> >> > afternoon.
> >> >    My design would be a Rubbermaid plastic container with some holes near the
> >> > top, and a cheap ($20) bilge-pump with a short hose. I plop the bilge pump into
> >> > the water, put the hose in the livewell, and voila! Fresh water in, stale water
> >> > out. (By "fresh" I mean new - it will be saltwater, of course!)
> >> >    I notice many livewells do not use "fresh" water - they just recirc and
> >> > aerate. This design would be simpler - is it as good? Will stale, aerated water
> >> > keep the fish alive?
> >>
> >> Not, typically, salt water fish or baits.
> >>
> >> >    Also, should I go for a shallow, wide container, or is a deep container (like
> >> > a wastebasket) better?
> >>
> >> Since you are so keen on saving money, how about used ? :>}
> >>
> >> Seriously, there is a kit available for about $30 that converts an igloo
> >> cooler into a livewell. There are brackets that allow you to hang the cooler
> >> off the transom, if that is what you want. Also seen a bag baitwell system.
> >>
> >   Thanks!
> >   I suspect a colostomy bag is more expensive than a wastebasket ;)
> >   Also, I'm expecting my whole system to cost under $30CDN, but I will look
> >into the conversion kit. Don't think I need the insulation you pay for in a
> >cooler.
> >   Yes, most livewells around here are hang-off-the-transom design, even in the
> >charter boats. It frees up room in the cockpit, and allows the water to simply
> >overflow (usually through holes) instead of requiring a hose and thru-hull.
> >Spent a very restless night docked next to a charter boat that had his livewell
> >running all night (sound of pump and splashing water), then fired up and left
> >around 6am.
> >
> >Lloyd Sumpter
> >Campion 18

Lloyd Sumpter <lsumpter@home.com> wrote in message
news:3AD1EF12.45EF6BF@home.com...
> I'm thinking of making a Cheap and Nasty livewell for the Campion -
something
> that will just hang off the stern and keep a dozen herring alive for the
> afternoon.
>    My design would be a Rubbermaid plastic container with some holes near
the
> top, and a cheap ($20) bilge-pump with a short hose. I plop the bilge pump
into
> the water, put the hose in the livewell, and voila! Fresh water in, stale
water
> out. (By "fresh" I mean new - it will be saltwater, of course!)
>    I notice many livewells do not use "fresh" water - they just recirc and
> aerate. This design would be simpler - is it as good? Will stale, aerated
water
> keep the fish alive?
>    Also, should I go for a shallow, wide container, or is a deep container
(like
> a wastebasket) better?
>
> Lloyd Sumpter
> Campion 18 - maybe going fishin' this weekend!

Lloyd: Pangas down in Cabo just use a tight mesh bag held open in a
rectangular frame hung over the Trnasom and resting on the seim platfrom if
there is one.  Boat motion through the water exchanges the water and we
often keep cabillito or small mackerel alive for up to 8 hours.  Good luck.
Fred

coria1 wrote:
> 
> Lloyd Sumpter <lsumpter@home.com> wrote in message
> news:3AD1EF12.45EF6BF@home.com...
> > I'm thinking of making a Cheap and Nasty livewell for the Campion -
> something
> > that will just hang off the stern and keep a dozen herring alive for the
> > afternoon.
> >    My design would be a Rubbermaid plastic container with some holes near
> the
> > top, and a cheap ($20) bilge-pump with a short hose. I plop the bilge pump
> into
> > the water, put the hose in the livewell, and voila! Fresh water in, stale
> water
> > out. (By "fresh" I mean new - it will be saltwater, of course!)
> >    I notice many livewells do not use "fresh" water - they just recirc and
> > aerate. This design would be simpler - is it as good? Will stale, aerated
> water
> > keep the fish alive?
> >    Also, should I go for a shallow, wide container, or is a deep container
> (like
> > a wastebasket) better?
> >
> > Lloyd Sumpter
> > Campion 18 - maybe going fishin' this weekend!
> 
> Lloyd: Pangas down in Cabo just use a tight mesh bag held open in a
> rectangular frame hung over the Trnasom and resting on the seim platfrom if
> there is one.  Boat motion through the water exchanges the water and we
> often keep cabillito or small mackerel alive for up to 8 hours.  Good luck.
> Fred

   I thought about drilling holes in the bottom of the container and lowering it
until it's in the water, but it's a LONG lean-over to scoop up the fish from the
bottom of the tank in that case.
   And in lots of places in the Chuck, there wouldn't be enough movement to
circulate the water - I'd still need a pump.

Lloyd Sumpter
Campion 18