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10 total messages Started by mcelwre Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:21
THE DIVINE MASTERS *AGAINST* gambling
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Author: mcelwre
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:21
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     Both "Eckankar" and "Sant Mat" (referred to in the following article)
PROHIBIT their Initiates from ANY form of gambling:
          

                             THE DIVINE MASTERS       
      
               Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that 
          Jesus Christ was a perfect living Master, and a projection of 
          God into the physical world, God Incarnate. 
          
               But there are some very important related facts that 
          Christians are COMPLETELY IGNORANT of, as are followers of 
          most other world religions. 
           
               First, Jesus Christ was NOT unique, John 3:16 NOTWITH-
          STANDING.  There is ALWAYS at least one such perfect living 
          Master (God Incarnate) PHYSICALLY ALIVE in this world AT ALL 
          TIMES, a continuous succession THROUGHOUT HISTORY, both 
          before and after the life of Jesus. 
    
               The followers of some of these Masters founded the 
          world's major religions, usually PERVERTING the teachings of 
          their Master in the process.  Christians, for example, added 
          THREATS of "ETERNAL DAMNATION" in Hell, and DELETED the 
          teaching of REincarnation. 
       
               Secondly, and more importantly, after a particular 
          Master physically dies and leaves this world, there is 
          NOTHING that He can do for ANYbody except for the relatively 
          few people that He INITIATED while He was still physically 
          alive.  (That is simply the way God set things up in the 
          Universes.) 

               Therefore, all those Christians who worship Jesus, and 
          pray to Jesus, and expect Jesus to return and save them from 
          their sins, are only KIDDING THEMSELVES, and have allowed 
          themselves to be DUPED by a religion that was mostly 
          MANUFACTURED by the Romans. 
      
               And emotional "feelings" are a TOTALLY DECEIVING 
          indicator for religious validity. 
    
               These things are similarly true for followers of most 
          other major world religions, including Islam. 
     
               Thirdly, the primary function of each Master is to tune 
          His Initiates into the "AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM" or "SOUND 
          CURRENT", (referred to as "THE WORD" in John 1:1-5, and as 
          "The River of Life" in Revelation 22:1), and to personally 
          guide each of them thru the upper levels of Heaven while they 
          are still connected to their living physical bodies by a 
          "silver cord". 
    
               True Salvation, which completes a Soul's cycles of 
          REincarnation in the physical and psychic planes, is achieved 
          only by reaching at least the "SOUL PLANE", which is five 
          levels or universes above the physical universe, and this 
          canNOT be done without the help of a Perfect LIVING Master. 
    
               One such perfect Master alive today is an American, Sri 
          Harold Klemp, the Living "Eck" Master or "Mahanta" for the 
          "Eckankar" organization, now headquartered in Minneapolis, 
          (P.O. Box 27300;  zip 55427). 
    
               Another perfect living Master is Maharaj Gurinder Singh 
          Ji, now living in Punjab, India, and is associated with the 
          "Sant Mat" organization. 
      
               One of the classic books on this subject is "THE PATH OF 
          THE MASTERS" (Radha Soami Books, P.O. Box 242, Gardena, CA  
          90247), written in 1939 by Dr. Julian Johnson, a theologian 
          and surgeon who spent the last years of his life in India 
          studying under and closely observing the Sant Mat Master of 
          that time, Maharaj Sawan Singh Ji. 
    
               Several of the Eckankar books, including some authored 
          by Sri Paul Twitchell or Sri Harold Klemp, can be found in 
          most public and university libraries and some book stores, or 
          obtained thru inter-library loan.  The book "ECKANKAR--THE 
          KEY TO SECRET WORLDS", by Sri Paul Twitchell, is ANOTHER 
          classic. 
    
               Many Christians are likely to confuse the Masters with 
          the "Anti-Christ", which is or was to be a temporary world 
          dictator during the so-called "last days".  But the Masters 
          don't ever rule, even when asked or expected to do so as 
          Jesus was. 
    
               People who continue following Christianity, Islam, or 
          other orthodox religions with a physically DEAD Master, will 
          CONTINUE on their cycles of REincarnation, between the 
          psychic planes and this MISERABLE physical world, until they 
          finally WISE UP! 
    
          
    
          RE-INCARNATION
          
               The book "HERE AND HEREAFTER", by Ruth Montgomery, 
          describes several kinds of evidence supporting REincarnation 
          as a FACT OF LIFE, including HYPNOTIC REGRESSIONS to past 
          lives, SPONTANEOUS RECALL (especially by young children, some 
          of whom can identify their most recent previous relatives, 
          homes, possessions, etc.), DREAM RECALL of past life experi-
          ences, DEJA VU (familiarity with a far off land while travel-
          ing there for the first time on vacation), the psychic read-
          ings of the late EDGAR CAYCE, and EVEN SUPPORTING STATEMENTS 
          FROM THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE including Matthew 17:11-13 (John the 
          Baptist was the REINCARNATION of Elias.) and John 9:1-2 (How 
          can a person POSSIBLY sin before he is born, unless he LIVED 
          BEFORE?!).  [ ALWAYS use the "KING JAMES VERSION".  Later 
          versions are PER-VERSIONS! ]  Strong INTERESTS, innate 
          TALENTS, strong PHOBIAS, etc., typically originate from a 
          person's PAST LIVES.  For example, a strong fear of swimming 
          in or traveling over water usually results from having 
          DROWNED at the end of a PREVIOUS LIFE.  And sometimes a 
          person will take AN IMMEDIATE DISLIKE to another person being 
          met for the first time, because of a bad encounter with him 
          during a PREVIOUS INCARNATION. 

               The teaching of REincarnation also includes the LAW OF 
          KARMA (Galatians 6:7, Revelation 13:10, etc.).  People would 
          behave much better toward each other if they knew that their 
          actions in the present will surely be reaped by them in the 
          future, or in a FUTURE INCARNATION! 



          "2nd COMINGS"

               If a Perfect Living Master physically dies ("trans-
          lates") before a particular Initiate of His does, then when 
          that Initiate physically dies ("translates"), the Master will 
          meet him on the Astral level and take him directly to the 
          Soul Plane.  This is the ONE AND ONLY correct meaning of a 
          2nd Coming.  It is an INDIVIDUAL experience, NOT something 
          that happens for everyone all at once.  People who are still 
          waiting for Jesus' "2nd Coming" are WAITING IN VAIN. 
    
          
          
          PLANES OF EXISTENCE

               The physical universe is the LOWEST of AT LEAST a DOZEN 
          major levels of existence.  Above the Physical Plane is the 
          Astral Plane, the Causal Plane, the Mental Plane, the Etheric 
          Plane (often counted as the upper part of the Mental Plane), 
          the Soul Plane, and several higher Spiritual Planes.  The 
          Soul Plane is the FIRST TRUE HEAVEN, (counting upward from 
          the Physical).  The planes between (but NOT including) the 
          Physical and Soul Planes are called the Psychic Planes. 
    
               It is likely that ESP, telepathy, astrological 
          influences, radionic effects, biological transmutations [See 
          the 1972 book with that title.], and other phenomena without 
          an apparent physical origin, result from INTERACTIONS between 
          the Psychic Planes and the Physical Plane. 
    
               The major planes are also SUB-DIVIDED.  For example, a 
          sub-plane of the Astral Plane is called "Hades", and the 
          Christian Hell occupies a SMALL part of it, created there 
          LESS THAN 2000 YEARS AGO by the EARLY CATHOLIC CHURCH by some 
          kind of black magic or by simply teaching its existence in a 
          THREATENING manner.  The Christian "Heaven" is located 
          elsewhere on the Astral Plane.  Good Christians will go there 
          for a short while and then REincarnate back to Earth. 
          
          
          
          SOUND CURRENT vs. BLIND FAITH

               The Christian religion demands of its followers an 
          extraordinary amount of BLIND FAITH backed up by little more 
          than GOOD FEELING (which is TOTALLY DECEIVING). 
       
               If a person is not HEARING some form of the "SOUND 
          CURRENT" ("THE WORD", "THE BANI", "THE AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM"), 
          then his cycles of REINCARNATION in this MISERABLE world WILL 
          CONTINUE. 
    
               The "SOUND CURRENT" manifests differently for different 
          Initiates, and can sound like a rushing wind, ocean waves on 
          the sea shore, buzzing bees, higher-pitched buzzing sound, a 
          flute, various heavenly music, or other sounds.  In Eckankar, 
          Members start hearing it near the end of their first year as 
          a Member.  This and other experiences (such as "SOUL TRAVEL") 
          REPLACE blind faith. 
    


               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this 
          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. 


                                           Robert E. McElwaine
                                           2nd Initiate in Eckankar
Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS *AGAINST* gambling
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Author: Jacob Jin
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:21
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In article <1993Jan25.172151.3294@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>     
>               Thirdly, the primary function of each Master is to tune 
>          His Initiates into the "AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM" or "SOUND 
>          CURRENT", (referred to as "THE WORD" in John 1:1-5, and as 
>          "The River of Life" in Revelation 22:1), and to personally 
>          guide each of them thru the upper levels of Heaven while they 
>          are still connected to their living physical bodies by a 
>          "silver cord". 

This is true, and a good example of that is Gary Baze who in this
race tuned into his filly, "Beelzebub", on the final turn and
rallied to show. Still, even at 22:1, Revelation was a solid
bet, and coupled with my pick, Hammer 'n' Nails (13:1), paid
a fairly celestial exacta. 
Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS *AGAINST* gambling
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Author: Edmund Hack
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:16
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AIEEEEEEEE!!!

The SUPREME FOLLOWER of Dr. PETER BETER has managed to LEAVE sci.space
and other groups and make it to rec.gambling.  Now WE FIND that he and
his RANDOM CAPITALIZER have made it to an UNUSUAL RELIGION.

      - "I wonder if I can HITCH a RIDE on a COSMOSPHERE to a
         RUSSIAN casino?"

-- 
Edmund Hack - Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co. - Houston, TX
hack@aio.jsc.nasa.gov - I speak only for myself, unless blah, blah..
"I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV."
"Detail Dress Circuits" "Belt: Above A, Below B" "Close B ClothesMode"
Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS *AGAINST* gambling
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Author: james webb
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:43
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	What the hell is this shit? No one wants to hear you religous babble.
	Besides, didn't see god playing poker in Oh God! III?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
James Webb						jawebb@hydra.unm.edu

Go Cowboys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Dolphins!!!!!!!!
Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS *AGAINST* gambling
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Author: Brother Sky Masterson
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:05
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In article <1993Jan25.172151.3294@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

[moronic crap deleted]

In article <1k3abl$k60@agate.berkeley.edu> jacob@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jacob Jin) writes:

>This is true, and a good example of that is Gary Baze who in this
>race tuned into his filly, "Beelzebub", on the final turn and
>rallied to show. Still, even at 22:1, Revelation was a solid
>bet, and coupled with my pick, Hammer 'n' Nails (13:1), paid
>a fairly celestial exacta. 

Ah, how about the time I am reading Daniel just before I hit a three-horse
parlay with Shadrack, Meshack, and Abendnego? Who says the Good Book doesn't
come in handy?
Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS *AGAINST* gambling
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Author: Mike Gadberry
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:12
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>     Both "Eckankar" and "Sant Mat" (referred to in the following article)
>PROHIBIT their Initiates from ANY form of gambling:
>
>  [irrelevant self-righteous obfuscationism omitted]
>
>Robert E. McElwaine
>2nd Initiate in Eckankar

Hey, Bob!
	I've got a hot tip for Eckankar and St. Mat:
if GOD plays dice with the UNIVERSE, it doesn't PAY to be a WRONG BETTOR.

	-Lighten up,
		Michael    gadberry@neurocog.lrdc.pitt.edu
Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS *AGAINST* gambling
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Author: Dave Slaven
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:16
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In <1993Jan25.172151.3294@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

>               The "SOUND CURRENT" manifests differently for different 
>          Initiates, and can sound like a rushing wind, ocean waves on 
>          the sea shore, buzzing bees, higher-pitched buzzing sound, a 
>          flute, various heavenly music, or other sounds.  In Eckankar, 
>          Members start hearing it near the end of their first year as 
>          a Member.  

Sometimes it tells me to climb a high belltower with an AK-47.

                             Dave Slaven
                             80th Initiate in Texas Hold'em

-- 
Dave Slaven 

"And if you must keep talking, please try to make it rhyme." 
               --Mose Allison
Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS *AGAINST* gambling
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Author: John F. Reeves
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:21
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slaven@iastate.edu (Dave Slaven) writes:
!In <1993Jan25.172151.3294@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
!>               The "SOUND CURRENT" manifests differently for different 
!>          Initiates, and can sound like a rushing wind, ocean waves on 
!>          the sea shore, buzzing bees, higher-pitched buzzing sound, a 
!>          flute, various heavenly music, or other sounds.  In Eckankar, 
!>          Members start hearing it near the end of their first year as 
!>          a Member.  
!
!Sometimes it tells me to climb a high belltower with an AK-47.

They tell me there is an Omaha game up there. 

			      --John 
	                      "Only if the AK are suited, and the
                              47 doesn't have much of a chance for low"

-- 
 John Reeves -----------------------------------------------------------
 UCLA AI Lab         Internet: reeves@cs.ucla.edu
 3531 Boelter Hall   UUCP: ...!(uunet,rutgers,ucbvax)!cs.ucla.edu!reeves
 UCLA LA CA 90024 ------------------------------------------------------
Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS *AGAINST* gambling
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Author: Bill Reid
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:01
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In article <1993Jan25.172151.3294@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>
>     Both "Eckankar" and "Sant Mat" (referred to in the following article)
>PROHIBIT their Initiates from ANY form of gambling:
>          
There are no atheists at craps tables.  I have taken the name of 
the GRAND MASTER ECK in vain many times when the PROFANE/SACRED number 
7 appeared.

Besides, I played BJ for several hours with a guy who is 
a MEMBER of this WEIRD RELIGION, and though he attempted SOUL TRAVEL 
into the deck, he lost, while I WON.  Plus he irritated the hell 
out of everybody with his constant HUMMING.   
 
Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS *AGAINST* gambling
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Author: Frank Irwin
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:11
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In article <185149@pyramid.pyramid.com> breid@pyrhard2.eng.pyramid.com (Bill Reid) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.172151.3294@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>>
>>     Both "Eckankar" and "Sant Mat" (referred to in the following article)
>>PROHIBIT their Initiates from ANY form of gambling:
>>          
>Besides, I played BJ for several hours with a guy who is 
>a MEMBER of this WEIRD RELIGION, and though he attempted SOUL TRAVEL 
>into the deck, he lost, while I WON.  Plus he irritated the hell 
>out of everybody with his constant HUMMING.   

It's good to see that you and Jacobs are back on speaking terms.  BTW,
that constant HUMMING isn't totally voluntary on his part, so go easy
on him.

-- 
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