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5 total messages Started by Verne L Smith Wed, 13 Mar 1996 00:00
When partner's weak 2 bid is doubled
#2708
Author: Verne L Smith
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 00:00
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When opponents double your partner's weak 2 bid for take-out, you
often have a hand worth raising partner.  On the way to a raise, why
not help partner to find the best opening lead  -- in case you end up
defending?  Rarely you will have a misfit, with a singleton or void in
his suit, but with a good long suit in a lower ranking suit.  Bergen
suggests a way to handle both situations.

Suppose partner opens 2 hearts, next hand doubles, you have a hand
worth raising to 3 hearts, and relatively short spades so you expect
partner to be on lead against some number of spades:

1)  Bid 2NT =a transfer to next suit, clubs.  You hold something like:

(a) K Q x x or better yet A Q x x in clubs behind the doubler and
enough hearts to raise to three.  Wouldn't you like a club lead
against spades?

(b) a singleton or void in hearts but A Q T x x x x in clubs.  Do you
want to play in two hearts doubled or 3 clubs?  

If doubler's partner passes, opener bids 3 clubs, if this comes back
to you, pass with the misfit or correct to 3 hearts  -- just lead
directing.  If doubler's partner does anything except pass, opener may
pass.  At your next turn you may bid more hearts or clubs  --  to
play, or  pass or double for penalty, expecting a club lead.

2)  Bid 3 clubs = transfer to diamonds, same follow up.

3)  Bid 3 diamonds = transfer to hearts  -- you have the ace or king
of hearts, asking for a heart lead even from a broken suit.

4)  Bid 3 hearts -- denies the ace or king; asking for a heart lead
only from a natural sequence, not from 6 the K J T.  Declarer may have
A x opposite Q x and take 2 heart tricks if opener leads that suit.

5)  Redouble, your only strong bid

I believe your 3NT, 4 club 4 diamond or 4 heart bid could show hands
worth a raise to the 4 level with same lead directing suggestions.

If opener's weak two is in spades or diamonds, many of the same
transfers apply.  I doubt the wisdom of transferring to a void, they
may end up in NT or that suit!

Good luck,
Verne
smitty@mdc.net
Re: When partner's weak 2 bid is doubled
#2709
Author: Verne L Smith
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 00:00
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desj@ccr-p.ida.org (David desJardins) wrote:

>Verne L Smith <smitty@mdc.net> writes:
>> When opponents double your partner's weak 2 bid for take-out, you
>> often have a hand worth raising partner.  On the way to a raise,
why
>> not help partner to find the best opening lead  -- in case you end
up
>> defending?

>Because if the opponents have good agreements, you are helping them a
>lot more by giving them extra bidding room (instead of raising
>immediately) than you are gaining by indicating the lead. 

If the bidding starts 2 H   by partner, double  and I hold:

S:  xx    H: xxx   D xxxx  C:  AQxx, equal vulnerability, I don't
expect to be able to outbid the opponents at a safe level.  Raising
partner immediately won't shut them out.  But, I would like a club
lead against spades.  So I would bid 2NT as a transfer to clubs.  Is
this in any way unethical as long as it is alerted and properly
explained?

-- Verne

>Of course, if
>you assume that your opponents won't have prepared defenses against
your
>unusual transfer auctions and so won't make good use of that bidding
>room, you may expect to gain.  I'm not sure that is something I would
be
>proud of.

>There's a reason the ACBL only allows such methods in long matches at
>high-level competition, where the opponents have the time and
>inclination to prepare.

>                                        David desJardins
>-- 
>Copyright 1996 David desJardins.  Unlimited permission is granted to
quote
>from this posting for non-commercial use as long as attribution is
given.
Re: When partner's weak 2 bid is doubled
#2710
Author: Ray Miller
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 1996 00:00
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In article <4ipoef$7a@namesrv.mdc.net> smitty@mdc.net (Verne L Smith) writes:
>From: smitty@mdc.net (Verne L Smith)

>>Verne L Smith <smitty@mdc.net> writes:
>>> When opponents double your partner's weak 2 bid for take-out, you
>>> often have a hand worth raising partner.  On the way to a raise,
>why
>>> not help partner to find the best opening lead  -- in case you end
>up
>>> defending?

>>Because if the opponents have good agreements, you are helping them a
>>lot more by giving them extra bidding room (instead of raising
>>immediately) than you are gaining by indicating the lead. 

>If the bidding starts 2 H   by partner, double  and I hold:

>S:  xx    H: xxx   D xxxx  C:  AQxx, equal vulnerability, I don't
>expect to be able to outbid the opponents at a safe level.  Raising
>partner immediately won't shut them out.  But, I would like a club
>lead against spades.  So I would bid 2NT as a transfer to clubs.  Is
>this in any way unethical as long as it is alerted and properly
>explained?

>-- Verne

>>Of course, if
>>you assume that your opponents won't have prepared defenses against
>your
>>unusual transfer auctions and so won't make good use of that bidding
>>room, you may expect to gain.  I'm not sure that is something I would
>be
>>proud of.

>>There's a reason the ACBL only allows such methods in long matches at
>>high-level competition, where the opponents have the time and
>>inclination to prepare.

>>                                        David desJardins

Why would there possibly be anything unethical about this treatment.  Defenses 
against conventions are allowed.  My question, is why,  in this situation, 
where you expect to be outbid by the opponents a lot of the time, would you 
want to play transfer responses anyway.  Just playing 3 clubs as asking 
partner to lead clubs seems much more straight forward to me.

Ray
Re: When partner's weak 2 bid is doubled
#2711
Author: David desJardins
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 00:00
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Verne L Smith <smitty@mdc.net> writes:
> So I would bid 2NT as a transfer to clubs.  Is this in any way
> unethical as long as it is alerted and properly explained?

I don't know.  If you are playing transfer responses to preempts because
you think they are a theoretically superior method, then there is
obviously nothing at all wrong with that.  If you are playing transfer
responses to preempts believing that they are inferior methods in
theory, but they work better in practice than they should because they
are unfamiliar and most opponents won't have had time to prepare
defenses against them (especially in pair games), then I think that's
more questionable.

In the ACBL it's legal at any level of competition to play transfers
over either 2H-P or 2H-X.  (I was mistaken earlier, when I said
otherwise.)  I have doubts about the theoretical soundness of such
methods, because they take what is primarily a preemptive auction and
give the opponents many extra ways to describe their hands, assuming
that they have prepared reasonable and thoughtful defenses.  So I
question whether they should be allowed at a level where the opponents
will often have neither the time nor the inclination to prepare against
them, and I also question allowing them without an explicit disclosure
in advance (e.g., a pre-alert) so that the opponents who do have that
inclination can do so.  However the ACBL has the authority to make those
decisions, and they have made different choices than I would, and I'm
not prepared to say that it's unethical to take advantage of the options
that you are legally offered.

This thread is crossposted to aus.games.bridge, for some reason I don't
know: I don't know if the regulations regarding transfer responses to
preempts are different there, or if such responses are more common than
they are in the ACBL.  If a particular transfer system is common enough
that pairs will naturally have prepared defenses against it, that
clearly eliminates those grounds for restricting its use.

                                        David desJardins
-- 
Copyright 1996 David desJardins.  Unlimited permission is granted to quote
from this posting for non-commercial use as long as attribution is given.
Re: When partner's weak 2 bid is doubled
#2712
Author: peter.karlsson
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 00:00
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Ray Miller wrote:
> 
> In article <4ipoef$7a@namesrv.mdc.net> smitty@mdc.net (Verne L Smith) writes:
> >From: smitty@mdc.net (Verne L Smith)
> 
> >>Verne L Smith <smitty@mdc.net> writes:
> >>> When opponents double your partner's weak 2 bid for take-out, you
> >>> often have a hand worth raising partner.  On the way to a raise,
> >why
> >>> not help partner to find the best opening lead  -- in case you end
> >up
> >>> defending?
> 
> >>Because if the opponents have good agreements, you are helping them a
> >>lot more by giving them extra bidding room (instead of raising
> >>immediately) than you are gaining by indicating the lead.
> 
> >If the bidding starts 2 H   by partner, double  and I hold:
> 
> >S:  xx    H: xxx   D xxxx  C:  AQxx, equal vulnerability, I don't
> >expect to be able to outbid the opponents at a safe level.  Raising
> >partner immediately won't shut them out.  But, I would like a club
> >lead against spades.  So I would bid 2NT as a transfer to clubs.  Is
> >this in any way unethical as long as it is alerted and properly
> >explained?
> 
> >-- Verne
> 
> >>Of course, if
> >>you assume that your opponents won't have prepared defenses against
> >your
> >>unusual transfer auctions and so won't make good use of that bidding
> >>room, you may expect to gain.  I'm not sure that is something I would
> >be
> >>proud of.
> 
> >>There's a reason the ACBL only allows such methods in long matches at
> >>high-level competition, where the opponents have the time and
> >>inclination to prepare.
> 
> >>                                        David desJardins
> 
> Why would there possibly be anything unethical about this treatment.  Defenses
> against conventions are allowed.  My question, is why,  in this situation,
> where you expect to be outbid by the opponents a lot of the time, would you
> want to play transfer responses anyway.  Just playing 3 clubs as asking
> partner to lead clubs seems much more straight forward to me.
> 
> Ray

Because with transfers opps don't know if 3C will be passed or corrected 
to 3S (showing interest in a club lead). If 3C asks for a club lead only 
opps know it won't (probably) be passed by the 3C bidders pd.

Peter
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