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6 total messages Started by Michal Rosa Fri, 04 Aug 1995 00:00
Unusual systems
#2717
Author: Michal Rosa
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 00:00
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>>Some screwball Bidding systems suggested by RGB'ers. Please let me know
>>if you know of any others, or have more information on the ones listed 
here.
[snip]
>>Do you have any other "silly" system that might be fun to try out 
>>for an evening?
>>
>>Cheers - I'll let you know how we get on :-)
>>vaughan

>From: Ray Lee <rlee@hookup.net>
>Date: 4 Feb 1994 15:56:12 GMT
>Organization: Canadian Master Point magazine
>
>Ever try "No-peek"?  You have to guess the right contract from the
>opponents bidding.
>
>Ray
>
A weird system you want, a weird system you get, here's "Z grubsz" (or 
Mol as he is known to his English-speaking friends).

The "Z grubsza" system was developed somewhere in Poland by a one 
devious mind. It is one of the most, if not the most, simple systems 
ever invented.

"Z grubsza" can be transelated rather losely as either "Aproximately" 
or "More or Less", the first aproximation is rather closer to the 
original but I prefer the second one - mostly becouse it makes a cute 
anagram - MoL.

MoL's view of any bridge hand is simple, it divides them into one of 
the three categories:
Little honours  - a hand containing from 0 to 3 honours (0)
Medium honours  - a hand containing from 4 to 6 honours (1)
Many honours    - a hand containing at least 7 honours (2)

Once the hand is categorized into a range a futher subdivision is 
performed:
Balanced hand (Bal)
Unbalanced hand (Unb)
3-suited hand (3s)
Strange hand (Str)

The opening bid are simple: they simple indicate the range and the 
shape of the given hand:
1C  0-Bal (0-3 honours, balanced)
1D  0-Unb (0-3 honours, unbalanced)
1H  1-Bal
1S  1-Unb
1NT 2-Bal
2C  2-Unbal
2D  Any 3-suiter
2H to 3C Strange hands

After the first openig MoL employs step responses analogous to the 
opening bids:
1st step 0-bal
2nd step 0-unb, etc

After that bidding becomes natural with the one exception of the 
Boredom Signal:
A second round bid in the lowest possible denominationa (except NT) is
a Boredom Bid - it simply means - "Partner, I'm bored with your 
bidding and I'm going to pass your next bid".

MoL is a really fun system to play, I especially when playing Goulash.

Some examples of MoL in action:

       Axxx
       AT9x
       T98x
       K
QT9xxx     ---
Qxxx       xxx
xx         A
QJ         A98765432
       KJx
       KJx
       KQJxxx
       T

East-West are playing MoL.

West  North East  South
            2S    3D
Pass  3NT   X     Pass
Pass  Pass

2S = Strange hand without Spades

East lead CA and continued with C2, after winning CQ West returned a 
small D, result: -1700.

For those in the know: East was Cezary Balicki of Poland!!

One more example:
      ---
      Axx
      AJx
      AKQJxxx
Axxxx      QJTx
JTxx       KQx
Txx        KQxx
x          Tx
      K432
      xxx
      xxx
      xxx

This time it's North-South who are using MoL.

South West  North East
1C    Pass  2D    Pass
2S    Pass  3C    Pass
3NT   Pass  Pass  Pass

1C = 0-Bal (Little honours, balanced)
2D = 6th step 2-Unbal (Many honours, unbalanced)
3C = Boredom Signal

And here you go, the best spot played from the correct hand.

Happy MoLing!!!
-- 
Michal Rosa
Unusual systems
#2718
Author: Michal Rosa
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 00:00
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Michal Rosa (rosa@adelaide.DIALix.oz.au) wrote:
: 
: >>Some screwball Bidding systems suggested by RGB'ers. Please let me know
: >>if you know of any others, or have more information on the ones listed 
: here.
: [snip]
: >>Do you have any other "silly" system that might be fun to try out 
: >>for an evening?
: >>
: >>Cheers - I'll let you know how we get on :-)
: >>vaughan
: 
: >From: Ray Lee <rlee@hookup.net>
: >Date: 4 Feb 1994 15:56:12 GMT
: >Organization: Canadian Master Point magazine
: >
: >Ever try "No-peek"?  You have to guess the right contract from the
: >opponents bidding.
: >
: >Ray
: >
: A weird system you want, a weird system you get, here's "Z grubsz" (or 
: Mol as he is known to his English-speaking friends).
: 
: The "Z grubsza" system was developed somewhere in Poland by a one 
: devious mind. It is one of the most, if not the most, simple systems 
: ever invented.
: 
: "Z grubsza" can be transelated rather losely as either "Aproximately" 
: or "More or Less", the first aproximation is rather closer to the 
: original but I prefer the second one - mostly becouse it makes a cute 
: anagram - MoL.
: 
: MoL's view of any bridge hand is simple, it divides them into one of 
: the three categories:
: Little honours  - a hand containing from 0 to 3 honours (0)
: Medium honours  - a hand containing from 4 to 6 honours (1)
: Many honours    - a hand containing at least 7 honours (2)
: 
: Once the hand is categorized into a range a futher subdivision is 
: performed:
: Balanced hand (Bal)
: Unbalanced hand (Unb)
: 3-suited hand (3s)
: Strange hand (Str)
: 
: The opening bid are simple: they simple indicate the range and the 
: shape of the given hand:
: 1C  0-Bal (0-3 honours, balanced)
: 1D  0-Unb (0-3 honours, unbalanced)
: 1H  1-Bal
: 1S  1-Unb
: 1NT 2-Bal
: 2C  2-Unbal
: 2D  Any 3-suiter
: 2H to 3C Strange hands
: 
: After the first openig MoL employs step responses analogous to the 
: opening bids:
: 1st step 0-bal
: 2nd step 0-unb, etc
: 
: After that bidding becomes natural with the one exception of the 
: Boredom Signal:
: A second round bid in the lowest possible denominationa (except NT) is
: a Boredom Bid - it simply means - "Partner, I'm bored with your 
: bidding and I'm going to pass your next bid".
: 
: MoL is a really fun system to play, I especially when playing Goulash.
: 
: Some examples of MoL in action:
: 
:        Axxx
:        AT9x
:        T98x
:        K
: QT9xxx     ---
: Qxxx       xxx
: xx         A
: QJ         A98765432
:        KJx
:        KJx
:        KQJxxx
:        T
: 
: East-West are playing MoL.
: 
: West  North East  South
:             2S    3D
: Pass  3NT   X     Pass
: Pass  Pass
: 
: 2S = Strange hand without Spades
: 
: East lead CA and continued with C2, after winning CQ West returned a 
: small D, result: -1700.
: 
: For those in the know: East was Cezary Balicki of Poland!!
: 
: One more example:
:       ---
:       Axx
:       AJx
:       AKQJxxx
: Axxxx      QJTx
: JTxx       KQx
: Txx        KQxx
: x          Tx
:       K432
:       xxx
:       xxx
:       xxx
: 
: This time it's North-South who are using MoL.
: 
: South West  North East
: 1C    Pass  2D    Pass
: 2S    Pass  3C    Pass
: 3NT   Pass  Pass  Pass
: 
: 1C = 0-Bal (Little honours, balanced)
: 2D = 6th step 2-Unbal (Many honours, unbalanced)
: 3C = Boredom Signal
: 
: And here you go, the best spot played from the correct hand.
: 
: Happy MoLing!!!
: -- 
: Michal Rosa
-- 
Michal Rosa
Re: Unusual systems
#2719
Author: Lauge Schaffer
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 00:00
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rosa@adelaide.DIALix.oz.au (Michal Rosa) wrote:
>
> 
> >>Some screwball Bidding systems suggested by RGB'ers. Please let me know
> >>if you know of any others, or have more information on the ones listed 
> here.
> [snip]
> >>Do you have any other "silly" system that might be fun to try out 
> >>for an evening?
> >>
> >>Cheers - I'll let you know how we get on :-)
> >>vaughan
> 

"Upside down" is fun. You bid as usual, then before play starts, you pass all 
your cards to your left hand opponent. Thus the strategy is to bid more
the less you have, and of course bid your short suits. Also, you may
bid one more for the road since you can play the hands double-dummy 
(if you are not too drunk to remember them when this game comes up ;-))

Lauge
Re: Unusual systems
#2720
Author: Pam Hadfield
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 00:00
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" > 
" > >>Some screwball Bidding systems suggested by RGB'ers. Please let me know
" > >>if you know of any others, or have more information on the ones listed 
" > here.
" > [snip]
" > >>Do you have any other "silly" system that might be fun to try out 
" > >>for an evening?
" > >>
" > >>Cheers - I'll let you know how we get on :-)
" > >>vaughan
" > 
" 
How about "real man's bridge"?
You bid what you can make inyour own hand.
E.g. An opening 3C means "I have 9 tricks in clubs" (responder will bid 4C
     with a sure trick)
     An opening 1D means "I have 7 tricks in diamonds"
     
I have never played it myself but I know a few who have.
Apparently, you pass a lot but rarely go down.

-- 
Pam
Greetings from sunny London.
(ACOL player)
Re: Unusual systems
#2721
Author: Burt Voorhees
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 00:00
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Lauge Schaffer <lsc@novo.dk> writes:

>rosa@adelaide.DIALix.oz.au (Michal Rosa) wrote:
>>
>>
>> >>Some screwball Bidding systems suggested by RGB'ers. Please let me know
>> >>if you know of any others, or have more information on the ones listed
>> here.
>> [snip]
>> >>Do you have any other "silly" system that might be fun to try out
>> >>for an evening?
>> >>
>> >>Cheers - I'll let you know how we get on :-)
>> >>vaughan

Years ago, I invented a system called Super Spade.  It was based on
the idea of describing shape and point count rather than suits, and
was actually quite educational to play since it focused attention on
drawing inferences from what partner did not bid as well as from what
they did bid.  Very briefly:
1NT = usual, 15-17
1c = square or 3-suited and 12-16 HCP, or 18-20, or 23-24 point square
     1d response negative, opener can, under right circumstances, rebid
     with a bid of suit just below short suit (3-suit hand) and bid of
     the short suit by responder establishes a game forcing relay.
1d = one or two suited hand, 11-16 HCP, or some sort of strong hand
     that I forget.  1h response negative, 1nt shows hearts.
1h = 17+ HCP and square or 3-suited hand, 1s negative, 1nt shows spades
1S = 17+ HCP, 1 or 2 suited hand.  int response negative.
I forget the rest.  It was fun to play and suprisingly effective,
but I understand that relay systems are illegal now.
bv
Re: Unusual systems
#2722
Author: Henrik Johansson
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 00:00
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Burt Voorhees implies that relay systems should be illegal now and if that's
the
fact it the US I have to say that it's time that some one makes a revolt versus 
ACBL now. When coming in the big events where Europeans play the players from
US 
will be lagging far behind in bidding. I play a relay system myself called GFR,
game force relay and here in Sweden and in the rest of europe as well it is
allowed on every event apart from straight novice events where only the
standard bidding system is allowed. Bridge must be able to grow and the bidding
improvements made by the Europeans is one way of doing it. Only because Bobby
Wolf doesn't want anyone to bid better than he can we can't let the rest of the
bridge world suffer under his silly rules.

Henrik
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