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Started by Michal Rosa
Fri, 04 Aug 1995 00:00
Unusual systems
Author: Michal Rosa
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 00:00
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 00:00
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>>Some screwball Bidding systems suggested by RGB'ers. Please let me know
>>if you know of any others, or have more information on the ones listed
here.
[snip]
>>Do you have any other "silly" system that might be fun to try out
>>for an evening?
>>
>>Cheers - I'll let you know how we get on :-)
>>vaughan
>From: Ray Lee <rlee@hookup.net>
>Date: 4 Feb 1994 15:56:12 GMT
>Organization: Canadian Master Point magazine
>
>Ever try "No-peek"? You have to guess the right contract from the
>opponents bidding.
>
>Ray
>
A weird system you want, a weird system you get, here's "Z grubsz" (or
Mol as he is known to his English-speaking friends).
The "Z grubsza" system was developed somewhere in Poland by a one
devious mind. It is one of the most, if not the most, simple systems
ever invented.
"Z grubsza" can be transelated rather losely as either "Aproximately"
or "More or Less", the first aproximation is rather closer to the
original but I prefer the second one - mostly becouse it makes a cute
anagram - MoL.
MoL's view of any bridge hand is simple, it divides them into one of
the three categories:
Little honours - a hand containing from 0 to 3 honours (0)
Medium honours - a hand containing from 4 to 6 honours (1)
Many honours - a hand containing at least 7 honours (2)
Once the hand is categorized into a range a futher subdivision is
performed:
Balanced hand (Bal)
Unbalanced hand (Unb)
3-suited hand (3s)
Strange hand (Str)
The opening bid are simple: they simple indicate the range and the
shape of the given hand:
1C 0-Bal (0-3 honours, balanced)
1D 0-Unb (0-3 honours, unbalanced)
1H 1-Bal
1S 1-Unb
1NT 2-Bal
2C 2-Unbal
2D Any 3-suiter
2H to 3C Strange hands
After the first openig MoL employs step responses analogous to the
opening bids:
1st step 0-bal
2nd step 0-unb, etc
After that bidding becomes natural with the one exception of the
Boredom Signal:
A second round bid in the lowest possible denominationa (except NT) is
a Boredom Bid - it simply means - "Partner, I'm bored with your
bidding and I'm going to pass your next bid".
MoL is a really fun system to play, I especially when playing Goulash.
Some examples of MoL in action:
Axxx
AT9x
T98x
K
QT9xxx ---
Qxxx xxx
xx A
QJ A98765432
KJx
KJx
KQJxxx
T
East-West are playing MoL.
West North East South
2S 3D
Pass 3NT X Pass
Pass Pass
2S = Strange hand without Spades
East lead CA and continued with C2, after winning CQ West returned a
small D, result: -1700.
For those in the know: East was Cezary Balicki of Poland!!
One more example:
---
Axx
AJx
AKQJxxx
Axxxx QJTx
JTxx KQx
Txx KQxx
x Tx
K432
xxx
xxx
xxx
This time it's North-South who are using MoL.
South West North East
1C Pass 2D Pass
2S Pass 3C Pass
3NT Pass Pass Pass
1C = 0-Bal (Little honours, balanced)
2D = 6th step 2-Unbal (Many honours, unbalanced)
3C = Boredom Signal
And here you go, the best spot played from the correct hand.
Happy MoLing!!!
--
Michal Rosa
Unusual systems
Author: Michal Rosa
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 00:00
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 00:00
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Michal Rosa (rosa@adelaide.DIALix.oz.au) wrote: : : >>Some screwball Bidding systems suggested by RGB'ers. Please let me know : >>if you know of any others, or have more information on the ones listed : here. : [snip] : >>Do you have any other "silly" system that might be fun to try out : >>for an evening? : >> : >>Cheers - I'll let you know how we get on :-) : >>vaughan : : >From: Ray Lee <rlee@hookup.net> : >Date: 4 Feb 1994 15:56:12 GMT : >Organization: Canadian Master Point magazine : > : >Ever try "No-peek"? You have to guess the right contract from the : >opponents bidding. : > : >Ray : > : A weird system you want, a weird system you get, here's "Z grubsz" (or : Mol as he is known to his English-speaking friends). : : The "Z grubsza" system was developed somewhere in Poland by a one : devious mind. It is one of the most, if not the most, simple systems : ever invented. : : "Z grubsza" can be transelated rather losely as either "Aproximately" : or "More or Less", the first aproximation is rather closer to the : original but I prefer the second one - mostly becouse it makes a cute : anagram - MoL. : : MoL's view of any bridge hand is simple, it divides them into one of : the three categories: : Little honours - a hand containing from 0 to 3 honours (0) : Medium honours - a hand containing from 4 to 6 honours (1) : Many honours - a hand containing at least 7 honours (2) : : Once the hand is categorized into a range a futher subdivision is : performed: : Balanced hand (Bal) : Unbalanced hand (Unb) : 3-suited hand (3s) : Strange hand (Str) : : The opening bid are simple: they simple indicate the range and the : shape of the given hand: : 1C 0-Bal (0-3 honours, balanced) : 1D 0-Unb (0-3 honours, unbalanced) : 1H 1-Bal : 1S 1-Unb : 1NT 2-Bal : 2C 2-Unbal : 2D Any 3-suiter : 2H to 3C Strange hands : : After the first openig MoL employs step responses analogous to the : opening bids: : 1st step 0-bal : 2nd step 0-unb, etc : : After that bidding becomes natural with the one exception of the : Boredom Signal: : A second round bid in the lowest possible denominationa (except NT) is : a Boredom Bid - it simply means - "Partner, I'm bored with your : bidding and I'm going to pass your next bid". : : MoL is a really fun system to play, I especially when playing Goulash. : : Some examples of MoL in action: : : Axxx : AT9x : T98x : K : QT9xxx --- : Qxxx xxx : xx A : QJ A98765432 : KJx : KJx : KQJxxx : T : : East-West are playing MoL. : : West North East South : 2S 3D : Pass 3NT X Pass : Pass Pass : : 2S = Strange hand without Spades : : East lead CA and continued with C2, after winning CQ West returned a : small D, result: -1700. : : For those in the know: East was Cezary Balicki of Poland!! : : One more example: : --- : Axx : AJx : AKQJxxx : Axxxx QJTx : JTxx KQx : Txx KQxx : x Tx : K432 : xxx : xxx : xxx : : This time it's North-South who are using MoL. : : South West North East : 1C Pass 2D Pass : 2S Pass 3C Pass : 3NT Pass Pass Pass : : 1C = 0-Bal (Little honours, balanced) : 2D = 6th step 2-Unbal (Many honours, unbalanced) : 3C = Boredom Signal : : And here you go, the best spot played from the correct hand. : : Happy MoLing!!! : -- : Michal Rosa -- Michal Rosa
Re: Unusual systems
Author: Lauge Schaffer
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 00:00
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 00:00
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rosa@adelaide.DIALix.oz.au (Michal Rosa) wrote: > > > >>Some screwball Bidding systems suggested by RGB'ers. Please let me know > >>if you know of any others, or have more information on the ones listed > here. > [snip] > >>Do you have any other "silly" system that might be fun to try out > >>for an evening? > >> > >>Cheers - I'll let you know how we get on :-) > >>vaughan > "Upside down" is fun. You bid as usual, then before play starts, you pass all your cards to your left hand opponent. Thus the strategy is to bid more the less you have, and of course bid your short suits. Also, you may bid one more for the road since you can play the hands double-dummy (if you are not too drunk to remember them when this game comes up ;-)) Lauge
Re: Unusual systems
Author: Pam Hadfield
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 00:00
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 00:00
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" >
" > >>Some screwball Bidding systems suggested by RGB'ers. Please let me know
" > >>if you know of any others, or have more information on the ones listed
" > here.
" > [snip]
" > >>Do you have any other "silly" system that might be fun to try out
" > >>for an evening?
" > >>
" > >>Cheers - I'll let you know how we get on :-)
" > >>vaughan
" >
"
How about "real man's bridge"?
You bid what you can make inyour own hand.
E.g. An opening 3C means "I have 9 tricks in clubs" (responder will bid 4C
with a sure trick)
An opening 1D means "I have 7 tricks in diamonds"
I have never played it myself but I know a few who have.
Apparently, you pass a lot but rarely go down.
--
Pam
Greetings from sunny London.
(ACOL player)
Re: Unusual systems
Author: Burt Voorhees
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 00:00
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 00:00
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Lauge Schaffer <lsc@novo.dk> writes:
>rosa@adelaide.DIALix.oz.au (Michal Rosa) wrote:
>>
>>
>> >>Some screwball Bidding systems suggested by RGB'ers. Please let me know
>> >>if you know of any others, or have more information on the ones listed
>> here.
>> [snip]
>> >>Do you have any other "silly" system that might be fun to try out
>> >>for an evening?
>> >>
>> >>Cheers - I'll let you know how we get on :-)
>> >>vaughan
Years ago, I invented a system called Super Spade. It was based on
the idea of describing shape and point count rather than suits, and
was actually quite educational to play since it focused attention on
drawing inferences from what partner did not bid as well as from what
they did bid. Very briefly:
1NT = usual, 15-17
1c = square or 3-suited and 12-16 HCP, or 18-20, or 23-24 point square
1d response negative, opener can, under right circumstances, rebid
with a bid of suit just below short suit (3-suit hand) and bid of
the short suit by responder establishes a game forcing relay.
1d = one or two suited hand, 11-16 HCP, or some sort of strong hand
that I forget. 1h response negative, 1nt shows hearts.
1h = 17+ HCP and square or 3-suited hand, 1s negative, 1nt shows spades
1S = 17+ HCP, 1 or 2 suited hand. int response negative.
I forget the rest. It was fun to play and suprisingly effective,
but I understand that relay systems are illegal now.
bv
Re: Unusual systems
Author: Henrik Johansson
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 00:00
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 00:00
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Burt Voorhees implies that relay systems should be illegal now and if that's the fact it the US I have to say that it's time that some one makes a revolt versus ACBL now. When coming in the big events where Europeans play the players from US will be lagging far behind in bidding. I play a relay system myself called GFR, game force relay and here in Sweden and in the rest of europe as well it is allowed on every event apart from straight novice events where only the standard bidding system is allowed. Bridge must be able to grow and the bidding improvements made by the Europeans is one way of doing it. Only because Bobby Wolf doesn't want anyone to bid better than he can we can't let the rest of the bridge world suffer under his silly rules. Henrik
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