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iuzzolin@carina.unm.edu (Harold Iuzzolino) writes:

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>>
>>>I still like Pascal.  Everybody says, "it was originally intended only to teach
>>>people how to program".  And I say, "so what?"  C apparently wasn't "good
>>>enough" in it's original incarnation either.  Otherwise, why did they have to
>>>come up with ANSII C and C++?  And C does sacrifice readability in favor of
>>>flexibility.  The C "for" statement is especially weird; it's completely
>>>different from "for" statements I've seen in any other language.
>>
>>pity about the pascal code generation ( pascal is EASIER to optimize than
>>C, but no one (at least main-line compilers) seems to do it!!).compare
>>output of your favorite pascal compiler with the same ( functionally ) code
>>from MSC 6.0 (7.0??) or even watcom 9.0 ( with '486 code optimization ) and
>>you will see what I mean..
>>
>[Mac pascal nuked]
>>
>>also.. I just love the ability to use the_variable<<=3; instead of ( I think )
>>the_variable:=shl(the_variable,3);, which would not even be portable!!

>the_variable:=(the_variable shl 3)

>this is portable (at least to the amiga).  I have done it, I have proof,
>I have programs that don't crash.  I have also seen Stony Brook's Pascal
>(I own in it fact).  It is pretty good (optimization blows me away), but
>I still like Turbo Pascal 6.0 better.  As I already optimize my code,
>I don't need any compiler to do so.  (So I don't get flamed): This does
>not mean that everyone can optimize their code.  Yes it is nice to
>have a copmiler to do so.  Yes C does nicely.  However, if you guys
>are going to go with optimization and libraries...how about Fortran (Puketran
>to us)?  That is optimized, portable, and has millions of libraries.
>(Ok, maybe not millions...but a lot).  Turbo Pascal is still the best 
>language (I consider it to be a different language to normal Pascal) I
>have ever used.  The only problem with it is the compiler limitations.
>(i.e. that arrays have to be constant).  As far as I can tell, this
>is the only thing that separates C from Pascal.  On a final note,
>Pascal does have easier string handling and an ability to handle boolean
>functions.

>This is one nice thing about TP:

>function BoolTest(x,y:byte): boolean;
>begin
> ...
>end;

>begin
> if BoolTest(10,40) then InsertAnotherSpiffyProcedureNameHereIfYouWant;
>end.
> 
well..I guess you beat C there.. in C you  would have to go:

int BoolTest(x, y)
	int x, y;
	{
	if(x==y) /* or whatever... */
		return 1; /* or use TRUE, with stdio included.. */
	else
		return 0; /* or use FALSE,        ''            */
	}

main()
	{
	if( Booltest(10,40) ) DoTheRealProgammerThing;
	}

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