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Re: öÅÌÅÚÎÁÑ ÄÏÒÏÇÁ(ÎÕÖÅÎ ÁÌÇÏÒÉÔÍ)ÓÍ.ÐÉÓØÍÏ

#2125
From: Bruce Geerdes
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 16:45
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Harlan Messinger (gusty@clark.net) wrote:
>Bruce Geerdes (bgeerdes@igs.com) wrote:
>: For what it's worth, it is considered a breach of netiquette to post
>: non-English posts to newsgroups that are not specifically chartered for
>: that language.
>Does the charter for THIS group specify English? 

Not that I know of.

>I think it's the height of arrogance to suggest that one 
>particular language alone is proper in the absence of specific 
>authorization of any other. 

That's the internet for you. :)  I'm not making the rule up, just passing
along what I thought was common knowledge.

>Why would netiquette single out the speakers 
>of one language for preferential treatment? 

Because we were here first. :)  

>Why would netiquette single 
>out the non-speakers of one language for exclusion from the broad range 
>of Internet facilities that the speakers of that language are able to 
>take for granted?

So you would rather everyone of every language post to this newsgroup
instead of, say, creating specific language groups?  No one is being
excluded from the internet.  If a need for a French C++ programming group 
exists, one will be created.  If, on the other hand, they want to reach
the largest possible programming audience, they should probably post to
this newsgroup, in English.

>The implication is that people speaking privately
>but within earshot have the responsibility to enable you to understand
>what they're saying! This is sheer audacity. And what you are calling
>netiquette is just as much so. 

Sorry you don't like it.  As I said before, I did not make it up.  Maybe 
the "English by default" rule no longer applies.  A lot has changed since
I first started using the internet.

I personally do not believe that English *should* be the default because
it's superior or anything.  It's just worked out that way.  I do see the
benefit of having a default language, however.  It helps the world 
communicate.  If you want to go to the trouble of defining a new, more
deserving, default language, say Latin or Esperanto, go for it.

>Where are all these charters anyway? rtfm somewhere?

I don't know. (Input for someone who knows anything about this would be
appreciated!)
-- 
bgeerdes@igs.com (Bruce Geerdes)
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Subject: Re: öÅÌÅÚÎÁÑ ÄÏÒÏÇÁ(ÎÕÖÅÎ ÁÌÇÏÒÉÔÍ)ÓÍ.ÐÉÓØÍÏ
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Date: Fri, 22 Mar 96 16:45:06 GMT