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Re: DeLisle Carbine - Information.

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From: Tom Oates
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:15
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In article <3863.7.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> ben.sansing@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Ben Sansing) writes:

#Does anyone know where I could find detailed plans/specs/info regarding
#the DeLisle carbine? 

Since it was manufactured by the SOE a British Government department, the
plans may belong to the Government and be copyrighted. However I'm not
sure of the legal situation, so you may be able to manufacture under licence.

It's been done before. During the 1980s, a company called 'Law Enforcement
International' of the UK started remaking them. At that time the designer of 
the original weapon (William Godfray DeLisle) was still alive and he helped
the company make small improvements to the weapon. He's since died of old
age. I don't know if LEI are still in existence or their address. Perhaps if 
you consulted the relevant 'Janes' book - start with the '92 edition and then 
work back. I do remember reading a few reviews of the carbine in UK gun 
magazines. By all accounts it was the quietest yet most effective short range 
sniping weapon ever produced. The reason that American shooters are ignorant 
of the DeLisle is because it suffers from NIH (not invented here) syndrome 
and was Briddish (worse still!) and thereby totally interest-free.

#the surplus Enfields on the market, the basic gun (a converted MkIII,
#from what little we've been able to gather) can be built quite cheaply,
#with only the barrel

The original used a modified .45 ACP Thompson barrel - very common during
WW2. The LEI version of the DeLisle retailed for 570 pounds. That was 
circa 1985. Be aware that the stock of the DeLisle was collapsible ie.
you could break it in two for easier concealment. 

#bolt face, and magzine modifications to deal with.
#And, of course, the silencer. We figure there might be a limited market
#for these replicas 

Only among assassins and special forces. Apparently Mossad bought a few for
pest control. If you could make a prototype, demonstrate it to the US
special forces. They might well be interested in a few. I just hope you resist
the urge to give your replica an awful Americanised name like the 'Terminator'
or something equally tasteless. It was named the DeLisle, and that name
should stay. Alter the internal workings if you must, but try to keep the
outward looks of the DeLisle because it is rather an attractive weapon.

Good luck. I hope you make it. Let me know if you succeed.

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