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In article <C1H50s.Mqn@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
#Who said anything about death and destruction? We're talking about a simple
#hobby, where there is no criminal intent. And _that_ is what your
#character witnesses can testify to. Paper punching is a legitimate,
#recognized sport, with governing bodies--hell, it's an Olympic sport!
#It's also sanctioned by the US Government--ever heard of DCM competitions?
#(OK, so the DCM competitions are designed to ensure that we have soldiers
#who can hit their targets if we're ever in such dire straits as to need
#them, but it's still a sport, and it still doesn't involve "death and
#destruction." How many DCM shooters actually plan to wind up taking shots
#at other people?)

Sure.  I know that.  You know that.  David, the programmer in the next 
office over knows that.  But if you get a procescutor with an animosity 
toward legitimate means of self-defense, and you watch you iterest in 
shooting sports get painted up as a "morbid facination... etc. ad nauseum."

We need more shooters on juries.  We need more safe, informed shooters, 
period.

###But you're right; we know better, and we're not the jury--although, by
###rights, a handloader should be tried by people who actually understand
###handloading and shooting. You know, that "jury of your peers" stuff...
##
##This is a mis-conception.  You are not entitled to a "jury of your peers" 
##over here, but a jury of "12 good men and true."  A jury of your "peers" is 
##a phrase from english common law meaning that peasants would not wind up 
##haveing to judge nobles and nobles wouldn't get to judge peasants.  
#
#Nowhere does the constitution say that you're entitled to any number
#of jurors. It says that you are entitled to "a speedy and public
#trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the
#crime shall have been committed," and a few other things about the 
#actual process.  It can be argued that a jury which is ignorant of
#the facts re: handloading and shooting do not constitute an impartial
#jury, but this is neither the time, nor the venue for such arguments...

Yep.  Mea culpa.  I was trying to address the "of you peers" business, and I 
overstepped my knowledge.

Lo siento.
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[MODERATOR:  I'd like to see this migrate elsewhere now that we are 
getting so much more into legalisms, etc.  Thanks]