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Article #282Byzantine heraldry (was Re: Byzantine Flags, and Another Question
From: Velde Francois
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:53
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:53
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>I've never seen a >three-headed eagle in medieval heraldry, but that doesn't mean it doesn't >exist. Two examples are depicted in Neubecker's heraldry. I was mistaken, however, in thinking that those were "arms" of Charlemagne. In both cases, they originate in hopes formed in the 15th century of another Crusade led by the German emperor, who would thus have become King of Jerusalem. Eager heralds composed the arms of that glorious victor as a three-headed eagle (Sable on Or). Also, this 3-headed beast was used as the "arms" of the Roman Empire (the original). In both cases, this is mythical heraldry. I doubt anyone would have dared take such arms for themselves. On Byzantine heraldry: I know nothing about it, and I would be pleased to see any information posted here. Here is what I found: the arms of a few Byzantine families, as described in various sources (Woodward's a Treatise on Heraldry, Rietstap, Jougla de Morenas, and pere Anselme). Koressios: Sable, beneath an imperial crown proper, a two-headed eagle displayed Or, holding in each claw a sword paleways Argent. Vatatzes: Vert, a two-headed eagle displayed Or, above each head an estoile Argent. Lascaris: Or, a two-headed eagle Sable armed Gules, beneath an Eastern crown of 3 points of the last. Comnene: Or, beneath an imperial crown proper, a two-headed eagle displayed Sable on a sword per pale Argent (the hilt Or). Paleologue: Gules, a two-headed eagle displayed Or. All arms use the double-headed eagle (it seems, by the way, that the Germans adopted that charge as a conscious imitation of Byzantium in the 15th century: hitherto the arms had a single-headed eagle). Also, note that the last four families held the imperial throne at some point. There is a variant for Lascaris, which is identical to Paleologue, and appears quartered with Gules a chief Or in the arms of Lascaris de Vintimille (a family in the South of France, a member of which married a Lascaris in the 14th century). A branch of the Paleologue family ruled over Montferrat in Northern Italy, when the title passed to the Gonzaga family (who quartered their arms with Paleologue); the latter died out in the early 18th century. As for the Comnene, they were still living in Corsica at the time of the French Revolution. when did these families adopt arms (before or after leaving the East) is an open question for me. I did not see any trace of indigenous Byzantine heraldry (although I would readily believe that the Francs brought it with them in the 1204-1261 period when they ruled Byzantium). -- Francois Velde
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Newsgroups: rec.heraldry,rec.org.sca Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!charon.amdahl.com!pacbell.com!sgiblab!darwin.sura.net!jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu!velde2 From: velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Velde Francois) Subject: Byzantine heraldry (was Re: Byzantine Flags, and Another Question Message-ID: <1992Nov13.225337.8483@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore References: <1992Nov12.234327.11358@vela.acs.oakland.edu> <1992Nov13.152129.29688@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> <1992Nov13.181009.74933@watson.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:53:37 GMT Lines: 55