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Article #352Re: Czech and Slovak arms
From: Francois Velde
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 22:55
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 22:55
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In article <1993Jan04.193346.17356@watson.ibm.com> mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) writes: >Francois R. Velde writes: > >> * Silesia: or, an eagle displayed sable crowned or, on its breast a >> crescent trefoiled and a crosslet argent. > >I picked up somewhere the notion that this crescent-thing was originally >intended as a representation of the eagle's wing bones, or something like >that. I believe I have seen them blazoned in German as "klee-stengeln" >(very approximately recalled). Can anyone confirm/verify/correct this? So that's what these things are! I always thought the poor birds were crucified on a crescent :-) I trodded over to the library, and here is what I found. Kleestengel(n), or Kleeblattstengel, means clover-stalk. It is described as an elongated clasp extending sideways from the breast of the eagle and ending in a trefoil. There is one on each wing (usually). Examples include Prussia, Brandenburg, Tirol. Silesia, however, is a true crescent (it crosses over the breast). Neubecker states that Silesia's crescent is "often" trefoiled, but the Brockhaus encyclopedia has only a plain crescent (with the cross issuing from the middle of the crescent). Note: in German, to drink a clover-leaf is to drink three glasses of Schnaps on end. To drink a clover leaf with stem (Kleeblatt mit Stengel) is to drink four. I don't know what happens after four... -- Francois Velde
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Newsgroups: rec.heraldry Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!ames!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!aplcen.apl.jhu.edu!jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu!velde2 From: velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francois Velde) Subject: Re: Czech and Slovak arms Message-ID: <1993Jan4.225544.1194@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore References: <1993Jan4.182936.3684@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> <1993Jan04.193346.17356@watson.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:55:44 GMT Lines: 32