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Article #508Re: Use of Military Rank Socially
From: Michael Cuell
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 17:12
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 17:12
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Rick wrote: > ...snip... > > What's wrong with "NCM i/c"? > > > As for the reason for the change, my application of Occam's Razor > > leads me to conclude that it was simply a way to fix the "status" of > > ORs, and ended up replacing all of the old terms. Remember "status" > > when it was such that an alien trying to determine anything about > > humanity through our ID cards would conclude that we are somehow > > tri-sexual: "Man," "Woman" and "Officer." > > If memory serves, NCM was introduced at the same time "man" was deleted > from the lexicon of common terms. The phrase "officers and men" was > commonly used to delineate between officers and those who were not > officers - and that term was considered to be 'sexist'. "Other Ranks" > (ORs) was thought to be demeaning to the non-officers and so was > replaced by "non commissioned members", with the subsequent (and > inevitable) confusion with Non Commissioned Officer (NCO). > ...snip... Warning... PET PEEVE NCM i/c is OK if the i/c could be a Pte (and given the personnel shortages in some units, that's what happens). The whole NCO vs NCM thing is still not well understood by some folks. You are correct when you say that NCM replaced Other Rank. The term NCM was never meant to replace NCO, and not all NCMs are NCOs. The term NCM describes a member between the ranks of Pte and CWO. NCOs, as you know, are Cpl to CWO. On the whole, I find that whenever I use the term NCM, if I substitute "other rank" and the phrase still makes sense, then NCM is appropriate. If not, the I should probably use NCO. Regards... Michael
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