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Started by staub_jon
Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:29
Byzantine & Albanian Flags
Author: staub_jon
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:29
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:29
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The flag mentioned is *not* the flag of the modern country of Albania unless it has a voided gold star above the eagles' heads. The flag with the cross between the for B-like things sound similar to a Serbian flag I've see. Stay in touch, I'll check it out and get back. Same for the flag of Byzantium. The best place to check out *any* flag information is the Flag Research Center in Winchester, Mass. Dr. Whitney Smith, the world's leading vexillologist, runs it. Joe
Re: Byzantine & Albanian Flags
Author: D Anton Sherwood
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:23
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:23
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In article <1992Nov12.092903.1@ccsua.ctstateu.edu> staub_jon@ccsua.ctstateu.edu writes: >The flag with the cross between the for B-like things sound similar to a >Serbian flag I've see. Stay in touch, I'll check it out and get back. The cross and charges are or for Byzantium, argent for Serbia. -- Anton Sherwood dasher@well.sf.ca.us *\\* Opinions mine, but available for lease at easy terms *\\* +1 415 267 0685 1800 Market St #207, San Francisco 94102 USA
Re: Byzantine & Albanian Flags
Author: Frank R.A.J. Maloney
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:53
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:53
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On the subject of the Albanian flag, Mauro Talocci (Guide to the Flags of the World) says that when Albania achieved its independence from Turkey in 1912 a centuries-old red flag with a two-headed eagle. He says the flag was used by Skanderbeg, the Albanian national hero of the 15th century "in honor of an ancient tradition that the first Albanians were descendants of an eagle." (None of this is meant to say that the Byzantine imperial eagle might not have influenced Skanderbeg.) The red star was added on March 15, 1946, to mark the beginning of the Communist regime. What I don't know is whether Albania has removed the star at this time. Albania, btw, appears to be the only European state to preserve the two-headed eagle. Both Germany and Austria, along with Liechtenstein, use black, one-headed eagles. The German eagle appears on the state arms, the war flag and the war ensign, the state flag and ensign, and the presidential flag (but not the national flag). The Austrian eagle appears on the state flag and ensign and the war flag, as well the state arms. The post-Imperial eagle is not only one-headed, but grasps a hammer and sickle in its talons, wears a civic crown, and has a broken chain dangling from its legs. The Liechtenstein eagles appear on the shield of the prince's coat of arms. The shield is quartered to descent of the ruling family (Silesia, the Kuenrings, the duchy of Troppau, and the county of Rietberg) together with the hunting horn of Jaegerndorff. Black eagles appear in the Silesian and Rietberg quarters. On the provincial level, I note that there is a one-headed, black eagle on the cantonal flag of Geneva and two two-headed, black eagles on the provincial flag of Antwerp. Indeed, Antwerp (and Wallonia) are only Belgian provinces that do use the rampant lion of Belgium's royal and state arms. Two Austrian Laender also show eagles, but not black ones, on their flags: Tyrol and Burgenland. (Poland uses a quite different eagle. And many Arab states employ Saladin's eagle, which is a subject I know next to nothing about and would like to know more.) -- Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney "Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
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