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3 total messages Started by D Anton Sherwood Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:10
Bosnia & Hercegovina
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Author: D Anton Sherwood
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:10
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I caught a few seconds of TV news in which a map of Bosnia and Hercegovina
was shown with a coat of arms that I did not recognize.  For all I know it
was cobbled up by the graphics department to suggest the immemorial feuds
that have plagued the Balkans, but it was good heraldry.

It was shown in pastel, and faded to transparent toward the bottom of the
shield, so I can't be sure that what I saw was:

	Azure, semy of crosses or, a bend argent.

But maybe they were fleurs-de-lis.
And maybe there were only six, or twelve, or ten.

Does anyone know this shield?
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Re: Bosnia & Hercegovina
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Author: Velde Francois
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:24
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In article <BxsB95.37D@well.sf.ca.us> dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood) writes:
>
>I caught a few seconds of TV news in which a map of Bosnia and Hercegovina
>was shown with a coat of arms that I did not recognize.  For all I know it
>was cobbled up by the graphics department to suggest the immemorial feuds
>that have plagued the Balkans, but it was good heraldry.

The National Geographic's most recent map of Europe features some 
of the newly hoisted flags. Bosnia is shown as having a field 
Argent, with an escutcheon bearing Azure, a Bend Argent, 6 fleur-de-lys
argent 2,1 at sinister and 1,2 at dexter. 

Note that Croatia has on its flag an escutcheon bearing chequey Argent
and Gules, dating back to the 16th century, but also used by the 
Croatian puppet regime in 1941-45, hence some bad feelings in this 
notoriously sensitive region.

-- 

	Francois Velde
Re: Bosnia & Hercegovina
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Author: Tuomas Viljanen
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 15:53
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In article <1992Nov16.182413.24371@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Velde Francois) writes:
>In article <BxsB95.37D@well.sf.ca.us> dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood) writes:

>Note that Croatia has on its flag an escutcheon bearing chequey Argent
>and Gules, dating back to the 16th century, but also used by the 
>Croatian puppet regime in 1941-45, hence some bad feelings in this 
>notoriously sensitive region.

These arms date, in fact, to the Tsar Kolyman, back to the 12th century
(if I remember correctly). They are also known as "the arms of Ustasha"
after the Croatian puppet regime 1941-45, but they are much older.
Correect name ought to be "the arms of Kolyman".

BTW, in my previous posting I mentioned the last Hochmeister oft the Teutonic
Order to be Konrad von Hohenzollern: in fact, he was the Prussian Landmeister
(the Order still exists !) or Land Master, and his name was not Konrad, but
Albrecht von Hohenzollern.












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