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Started by Francois Velde
Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:44
Balkanic Heraldry
Author: Francois Velde
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:44
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:44
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All this talk of Serbia and Byzantium, as well as the question on the current flag of Bosnia, got me searching the various national arms of the area. I have limited myself to the former Yugoslavia for the moment. Sources are mainly old Encyclopaedias (back when people cared about coats of arms :-( such as Nouvelle Encyclopedie Larousse (in French), old editions of the Britannica, Meyer's Lexicon of 1840, Brockhaus Enkyklopaedia (both in German). Additional help from Neubecker's Heraldry and the odd history book. Don't trust me too much on the history, I write from short-term memory. Very rough historical outline: first, there was the Byzantine empire, whose arms we discussed (Gules, a double-headed eagle displayed Or). A number of slav tribes had settled in the Balkans in the High Middle Ages, and slowly moved out of the direct domination of the Byzantines. Thus emerged Valachia (to become Rumania), Serbia, Croatia, etc. When the Turks started invading Europe in the 14th century, these small fiefs and kingdoms lost their independance one after the other. With the end of the Ottoman Empire starting in the early 19th century, they re-emerged one after the other, except Slovenia and Croatia still under Austrian rule. After 1918, Yugoslavia was created as a kingdom, uniting all Southern Slavs. It became "sort of communist" after 1945. We all know the current state of affairs. Yugoslavia: As a kindgom (1918-1945), ruled I think by the Serbian royal family, it had its arms. Namely: Gules, a double-headed eagle Argent, beaked, membered and tongued Or, bearing an escutcheon: tierced per pairle inversed, Serbia, Croatia, and Azure, a crescent Argent below three stars Or per fesse. Serbia: it emerged in 1817 as an autonomous province of the Ottoman Empire and became a full-fledged kingdom in 1882. I have seen variants of the same arms. Gules, two fleur-de-lys Or below a double-headed eagle Argent, beaked, membered and tongued Or, bearing an escutcheon: Gules, a Cross Argent between 4 B's (or firesteels) Or. The variant is on the escutcheon: in some cases, the horizontal arms of the cross bear the dates 1389 and 1817, and there is a sword Or per pale on the cross. 1389 is the battle of Kosovo, when the Serbs lost their independence. 1817 is the date they regained their autonomy. In the arms of Yugoslavia above, "Serbia" refers to the simple version of the escutcheon with cross and 4 B's. These arms were used from 1882 to 1918. I suspect the cross with 4 Bs are now being used again, if only informally. Croatia: checquy Argent and Gules. That seems to date to the early 16th century. Croatia itself united with Hungary very early, as soon as the 12th century, and followed Hungary into the Habsburg dominions all the way until 1918. In the arms of Yugoslavia above, "Croatia" refers to these arms. They were used on the flag of the puppet regime in 1941-45, but (interestingly) they also appeared on the seal of the republic of Croatia after 1946. So there is nothing new about these arms, and their current use on the tri-color flag of Croatia is not historically shocking. Slovenia: it never really existed as a distinct entity, it seems. It was early on incorporated into the Habsburg's possessions. Modern Slovenia is made up of parts of Crain (now Krajina), Steiermark (in Austria), and Istria. The first two had the following arms: Crain, Argent an eagle displayed Azure, crowned Or, langued and armed Gules, with a crescent checquy Or and Gules on its breast. Steiermark, Vert, a goat clymant Argent, armed and tongued Gules. Montenegro: existed as a seperate entity in the Middle Ages, resurrected in 1908 as a kingdom. From 1908 to 1918 it had the following arms: Gules, a double-headed eagle Argent (do you see a pattern?), beaked, membered and tongued Or, bearing an escutcheon: Azure, a lion passant Or on a champagne Vert. Bosnia: that one is intriguing. It existed as a semi-independent fief (occasionally dominated by the Serbs) until the early 16th century. One ruler was given the title of Duke of the Holy Roman Empire, and part of his lands became known as "ducatus Sancti Abbas" (duchy of Saint Abbas), or Herzogtum in German, and Hercegovina in Serbo-Croat. The kings of the time (end 14th century) seemed to have the arms: Gules, a crescent Argent beneath an 8-pointed star of the same. The crown was an Eastern crown, i.e. with "spikes". That was also the arms in most encyclopaedias of the 19th century, but the German encyclopaedias, Woodward's treatise follow the Austrian practice, where the arms of Esclavonia or Bosnia are: Or, issuing from the sinister flank an arm embowed proper, vested Gules, holding a sabre Argent. Bosnia-Hercegovina was annexed by Austria from Turkey in 1908. A clear conclusion: the Byzantine double-headed eagle was a heavy favorite, albeit with a "mark of cadence" (the eagle is Argent instead of Or). I already discussed Albania in another posting, where the double-headed eagle ended up Sable on a Field Gules (ugh). Other conclusion: I have no idea where the bend and 6 fleur-de-lys Argent on a field Azure of the current Bosnian flag come from. I checked the arms of Sarajevo, which have nothing to do (a bridge, a mountain and other stuff). Still a mystery to me. -- Francois Velde
Re: Balkanic Heraldry
Author: Klaus Ole Kristiansen
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:17
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:17
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velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francois Velde) writes: >Steiermark, Vert, a goat clymant Argent, armed and tongued Gules. Are you sure this is a goat? I have seen it used as an example of the heraldic panther. (The panther, like the tyger, is a monster. They are not at all like the real-life animals with similar names.) Klaus O K
Re: Balkanic Heraldry
Author: Francois Velde
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:04
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:04
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In article <1992Nov20.111731.3403@odin.diku.dk> klaus@diku.dk (Klaus Ole Kristiansen) writes: >velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francois Velde) writes: > > >>Steiermark, Vert, a goat clymant Argent, armed and tongued Gules. > >Are you sure this is a goat? I have seen it used as an example of >the heraldic panther. (The panther, like the tyger, is a monster. >They are not at all like the real-life animals with similar names.) Right you are. I blazoned this one from sight, and the illustration in the encyclopedia was not very clear: it looked like a goat. It's indeed a panther, which Neubecker defines as the body of a lion, the head of a bull, the front legs of a griffon, and the hind legs of an ox. It also throws flames out of its mouth and ears. Neubecker states that it is peculiar to Steiermark (Styria) and the area around Konstanz (Constance). The Oxford Guide to Heraldry has a very different representation of a panther, closer to the animal by that name, with spots. This may be a divergence of English and continental usage. -- Francois Velde
Steiermark:(Re: Balkanic Heraldry)
Author: Tuomas Viljanen
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:05
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:05
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In article <1992Nov20.111731.3403@odin.diku.dk> klaus@diku.dk (Klaus Ole Kristiansen) writes: >velde2@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Francois Velde) writes: > > >>Steiermark, Vert, a goat clymant Argent, armed and tongued Gules. > >Are you sure this is a goat? I have seen it used as an example of >the heraldic panther. (The panther, like the tyger, is a monster. >They are not at all like the real-life animals with similar names.) Ian Heath, in his "Armies of the Middle Ages" gives this blazon for the Dukes of Steiermark (Styria): "Vert, a griffin clymant sans wings Argent, armed and fire issuant from its mouth Gules" Hope this helped. ++ Tuomas Viljanen ++ For a battle like Crecy, you do ++ ++ Lahderanta 20 A 19 ++ not need a military genius like ++ ++ SF-02720 Espoo FINLAND ++ Edward III. All you need is an ++ ++ 358-0-592175 or c43657b@saha.hut.fi ++ idiot like Duke of Alencon. ++
Re: Balkanic Heraldry
Author: Andrea Marie Habura
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:44
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:44
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Francois Velde speculates about the difference between English and Continental panthers. Right you are; there is a divergence. They are both based on the same critter, but the artistic variation was pretty severe in this case. For starters, the panther in the medieval bestiaries is not a fire breather, but issues sweet breath from its mouth and ears; all creatures are attracted to it... except the dragon, which flees to its den. (The panther is used as an allegory for Christ. Surprise.) The earlier artists drew the stuff as wavy lines, which was promptly misinterpreted as flames, and drawn that way thereafter. Dennys (in his _The Heraldic Imagination_) feels that the English panther is closer to that in the bestiaries; he says the Continental panther was hyper-exaggerated into its goatish-whatever form. He may be biased, however. :) Andrea Habura
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