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In article <1993Jan21.105211.20615@doug.cae.wisc.edu> robert_walton@NeXT.COM (Robert Walton) writes:
>From: robert_walton@NeXT.COM (Robert Walton)
>Subject: German Short-haired Pointers
>Date: 21 Jan 93 10:52:10 CST
>
>I went to the Cow Palace Sport and Boat Show yesterday and saw some German  
>Short-haired Pointers from Nelson's Kennels.  My wife and I are looking  
>for a dog (not now but soon) that is smart, good natured, good with kids,  
>clean, doesn't shed, good in the house, and (for me) will also be a good  
>upland hunting dog.  Of course my wife could care less about this last  
>item, and she is pushing for a yellow lab.  Good retreiver, but that's not  
>the type of hunting I do.  I went pheasant hunting with a friend and his  
>black lab once, and it worked out O.K., but the dog is hardly an ideal  
>upland dog.
>
>Thoughts on (or better yet experience with) the German Pointers?  How do  
>they do on the above criteria?  Yellow labs?  Other breeds?  Advice  
>appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Robert
>
>robert_walton@next.com


I have had a GSP for the past few years and think you have found your
breed.  There has been a bit of discussion on a thread titled "Vislas
or Better", or close to that.  I have a wife and two sons and the dog
is probably 80% family pet.  He is good natured with the kids and my
wife has been totally won over by his pleasant disposition.  I have
never had a dog that truly does not shed.  The GSP's sheding is
minimal, in my opinion.

My dog has proven to be a most adequate gun dog.  He has had no real
training except at my hand and still performs well enough.  I will,
without hesitation, replace this GSP with another.

Do keep in mind as you begin your search in earnest that parentage is
the key to a good dog from a good breed.  Be very careful.  It is
extremly important to have knowledge of both the sire and the dam.

Good luck.

DGA

In article <1993Jan21.105211.20615@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
robert_walton@NeXT.COM (Robert Walton) writes:
 
>I went to the Cow Palace Sport and Boat Show yesterday and saw some German
>Short-haired Pointers from Nelson's Kennels.  My wife and I are looking
>for a dog (not now but soon) that is smart, good natured, good with kids,
>clean, doesn't shed, good in the house, and (for me) will also be a good
>upland hunting dog.  Of course my wife could care less about this last
>item, and she is pushing for a yellow lab.  Good retreiver, but that's not
>the type of hunting I do.  I went pheasant hunting with a friend and his
>black lab once, and it worked out O.K., but the dog is hardly an ideal
>upland dog.
 
I'm certain Charlie will jump in here and answer your post too, but 1
little item from a Lab person: don't judge the whole breed from 1
person's dog.  Labs are fine upland bird dogs, but they aren't
pointers - they're flushers.  Of course, a GSP might indeed be better
suited for the type of hunting you do.   That is, unless you later
decide to take up duck hunting  (*chris lightly jabs charlie in the ribs
here!*).   ;-)
 
 
>Thoughts on (or better yet experience with) the German Pointers?  How do
>they do on the above criteria?  Yellow labs?  Other breeds?  Advice
>appreciated.
 
A Lab is a Lab is a Lab.  Black, yellow, or chocolate.  Color has no
bearing on temprament, hunting ability, shedding (although certain colors
may show up more), or how good they are with kids.  Certain old wives
tales may say otherwise, but they are wrong.
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"

In article <1993Jan21.105211.20615@doug.cae.wisc.edu> robert_walton@NeXT.COM (Robert Walton) writes:
>
>I went to the Cow Palace Sport and Boat Show yesterday and saw some German  
>Short-haired Pointers from Nelson's Kennels.  My wife and I are looking  
>for a dog (not now but soon) that is smart, good natured, good with kids,  
>clean, doesn't shed, good in the house, and (for me) will also be a good  
>upland hunting dog.  Of course my wife could care less about this last  
>item, and she is pushing for a yellow lab.  Good retreiver, but that's not  
>the type of hunting I do.  I went pheasant hunting with a friend and his  
>black lab once, and it worked out O.K., but the dog is hardly an ideal  
>upland dog.
>
>Thoughts on (or better yet experience with) the German Pointers?  How do  
>they do on the above criteria?  Yellow labs?  Other breeds?  Advice  
>appreciated.
>

A German Short-haired Pointer was the first dog I ever owned.  A
friend of the family gave him to me when he moved.  He was well
trained and I loved to hunt with him.

Things I experienced where that he was VERY mild mannered.  I don't
remember him ever even growling at another person.  He loved to play
by rolling around in the grass with me and was great company when I
went hunting(sounds funny doesn't it?).  I can't tell you how he was
around kids, because he was never around them.  I was the youngest and
the only one left at home when I got him.  He was a fairly smart dog
and seemed to learn quick even though I got him when he was 3 years
old.  He learned quickly where to sleep, that he couldn't go to the
road, and not to bark at night.  He was fairly hyper when we would go
hunting for the first few times, but I think it was because he hadn't
been very much.  I got hime when I was 12 and we hunted every other
day until I was 18 and he died.  After a few times out and a couple of
stern talking too's, he calmed down and turned into a great hunting
dog.

The only concerns I would have would be the size of the bread for
being in the house.  My dog was fairly tall and my mom often said he
was too big to be in the house although he often ended up laying at
her feet in front of the fire.  Also, make sure that a pointer is what
you want.  When mine would go on point, there wasn't anything except
for the bird to flush that would bring him off point.  This was a
hassle sometimes becuase I would hunt thick briars and he would go in
and go on point and I would have to climb in and flush the bird.  It
was actually kind of funny sometimes.

My dog was an upland game hunter.  He could out perform any of my
friends dogs when hunting pheasant/pine hens/ or the likes.  I did
teach him how to water fowl hunt, and he learned how to sit still in a
duck blind and how to swim out and retreive a duck for me.

I don't have a hunting dog now, but if I were to buy another one, it
would be a German Short-hair.


Dan Canfield
bigdog@bones.et.byu.edu

DoD #0071,RP90
'89 FJ1200
'89 Indy707
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Speaking of labs... I plan on getting a dog in a couple of years and
am strongly considering a black lab. What I want is a versitile dog
that can be used on Upland birds, Rabbits and waterfowl as well as
be an early warning system WRT the bad guys skulking outside. ;-)
Am I on the right track with the lab?

				mike

In article <1993Jan21.105211.20615@doug.cae.wisc.edu> robert_walton@NeXT.COM  
(Robert Walton) writes:
> 
> I went to the Cow Palace Sport and Boat Show yesterday and saw some German  
> Short-haired Pointers from Nelson's Kennels.  My wife and I are looking  
> for a dog (not now but soon) that is smart, good natured, good with kids,  
> clean, doesn't shed, good in the house, and (for me) will also be a good  
> upland hunting dog.  Of course my wife could care less about this last  
> item, and she is pushing for a yellow lab.  Good retreiver, but that's not  
> the type of hunting I do.  I went pheasant hunting with a friend and his  
> black lab once, and it worked out O.K., but the dog is hardly an ideal  
> upland dog.
> 
> Thoughts on (or better yet experience with) the German Pointers?  How do  
> they do on the above criteria?  Yellow labs?  Other breeds?  Advice  
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Robert
> 
> robert_walton@next.com
> 

	My father has a Brittany Spaniel who is an excellent dog. He
is absolutly wonderful around the house (I didn't particularly like
dogs before him). He is very smart, well trained, and has superb
behaivior. He sheds minimally. I would be hesitant about putting a dog
like this in an area where he wouldn't get a lot of running room, but
other than that I give Brittanys recommendation over anything else.
	He hunts mostly upland, but also retrieves. Brittanys are
usually close working dogs, but ours is a little too ambitious and
will occasionally flush birds for himself (he hunts mostly woodcock,
pheasant, and grouse). He is very good at going wherever the scent is
and follows hand and verbal signals well.  We haven't taken him duck
and goose hunting a lot yet, but he has done well so far.
	Provided you have the space and time for one, Brittanys are
excellent dogs. They are among the best around the house, and excel at
hunting upland game. They aren't the best breed for hunting in blinds,
but will perform adequately.

--
Robert Seymour				rseymour@reed.edu
Departments of Physics and Philosophy	(NeXTmail accepted)
Artificial Life Project			Reed College
Reed Solar Energy Project (SolTrain)	Portland, OR

In article <1993Jan25.074006.19429@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
  shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer) writes:
 
>Speaking of labs... I plan on getting a dog in a couple of years and
>am strongly considering a black lab. What I want is a versitile dog
>that can be used on Upland birds, Rabbits and waterfowl as well as
>be an early warning system WRT the bad guys skulking outside. ;-)
>Am I on the right track with the lab?
 
*I* believe so.  Although rabbits aren't exactly their forte, my guess
is that since they work good at flushing birds, they would flush a
bunny as well.
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"

In article <1993Jan22.100641.25673@doug.cae.wisc.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
=  
= I'm certain Charlie will jump in here and answer your post too, but 1
= little item from a Lab person: don't judge the whole breed from 1
= person's dog.

Retriever, flushing dog, or pointing dog, I couldn't agree more
with this point.  All too often a person will see someone else's
dog and like (or dislike) it and will brand an entire breed with
the characteristics that he liked (or disliked) in that one
individual.

Certainly each breed shares certain characteristics--that's what
makes them a breed--but each individual within that breed is just
that--an individual.

Between breeds and individuals, there are lines.  Study your breed
(and line) of choice before you decide based on the nature of any
individual.

= Labs are fine upland bird dogs, but they aren't
= pointers - they're flushers.  Of course, a GSP might indeed be better
= suited for the type of hunting you do.   That is, unless you later
= decide to take up duck hunting  (*chris lightly jabs charlie in the ribs
= here!*).   ;-)

Ah! But see NAHVDA (as Charlie lightly jabs back :)!  Actually, I'm
not really in to NAHVDA--I have a hard enough time training for
adequate pointing behavior (the pointing's natural; the accompanying
manners are taught) without worrying about all that other stuff
(water work, tracking, fur & feather, ...).

[For those unfamiliar with NAHVDA, it is the North American
Versatile Hunting Dog Association.]

But then, sitting in an old, nasty, *COLD* duck blind is not my
favorite day afield, either.  :)


= >Thoughts on (or better yet experience with) the German Pointers?  How do
= >they do on the above criteria?  Yellow labs?  Other breeds?  Advice
= >appreciated.
 
= A Lab is a Lab is a Lab.  Black, yellow, or chocolate.  Color has no
= bearing on temprament, hunting ability, shedding (although certain colors
= may show up more), or how good they are with kids.  Certain old wives
= tales may say otherwise, but they are wrong.

Yes!


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov

In article <1993Jan22.100641.25673@doug.cae.wisc.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
>Subject: Re: German Short-haired Pointers
>Date: 22 Jan 93 10:06:40 CST
>In article <1993Jan21.105211.20615@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
>robert_walton@NeXT.COM (Robert Walton) writes:
> 

>I'm certain Charlie will jump in here and answer your post too, but 1
>little item from a Lab person: don't judge the whole breed from 1
>person's dog.  Labs are fine upland bird dogs, but they aren't
>pointers - they're flushers.  Of course, a GSP might indeed be better
>suited for the type of hunting you do.   That is, unless you later

>decide to take up duck hunting  (*chris lightly jabs charlie in the ribs
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^

>here!*).   ;-)
> 

Chris, did you mean to say "ducking hunting" here?  If that was the
case then Robert would not have to limit his considerations to a breed
such as the GSP.  In fact, your suggestion of a Lab or the like would
be fine. ;-).

DGA

In article <1993Jan26.084540.25710@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes...
>In article <1993Jan25.074006.19429@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
>  shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer) writes:
> 
>>Speaking of labs... I plan on getting a dog in a couple of years and
>>am strongly considering a black lab. What I want is a versitile dog
>>that can be used on Upland birds, Rabbits and waterfowl as well as
>>be an early warning system WRT the bad guys skulking outside. ;-)
>>Am I on the right track with the lab?
> 
>*I* believe so.  Although rabbits aren't exactly their forte, my guess
>is that since they work good at flushing birds, they would flush a
>bunny as well.
> 

I've heard stories of individuals usings Airdales for hunting... I
know that they are used in some sort of Police work ... but I wonder
if anyone has heard them used more commonly in place of Labs,etc...
??

Paul