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Article #1035Re: Coloured Flames - FAQ answer
From: maize
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:52
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:52
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In article <1993Jan25.141653.14526@craycos.com>, rh@craycos.com (Robert Herndon) writes:
>As a safety comment, I would STRONGLY RECOMMEND AVOIDING the
>use of lithium perchlorate with methanol. Lithium perchlorate
>is a strong oxidizer; mixed with a good fuel, such as methanol,
>one possible result is a potent and rather unstable explosive.
>Lithium perchlorate is also likely to eat one's torch wicks up,
>although I cannot (and will not) verify this through personal
>experience.
I have used lithium perchlorate in methanol as a torch fuel.
I also do not recommend it from a standpoint of safety. It does eat
wicks up, also the screws and metal sheathing and then the dowel
wood underneath.
But lithium perchlorate, itself, is not terribly unstable. Organic
perchlorates are -- but they can't be formed just by mixing lithium
perchlorate and methanol (for example.)
Methanol, by itself, burns with a pale, wimpy blue flame. With
the addtion of lithium or sodium perchlorate the flame becomes
very bright and large. I think tiny deposits of the metal perchlorates
do form on the wick during burning and explode in sparks.
>
>A secondary possibility is that as the wick dries, particularly
>after repeated uses, lithium perchlorate will build up in and on
>the wick, turning it into explosive.
>
Could happen, but I think the build-up mainly explodes during a
burn anyway -- thus no large build-up tends to occur. The real problem
could be lithium perchlorate seeping into the dowel and perhaps reacting
over time with the wood.
>All in all, I would *STRONGLY* recommend staying away from
>perchlorate/fuel mixtures. They've maimed many people over
>the years.
I basically agree with this. The mention of lithium perchlorate
should probably be omitted from the FAQ. If you're really that into
getting the perfect red torch flame (and lithium perchlorate -- while
hazardous -- is the perfect red) you can find out about it from
pyrotechnicians or chemists.
Actually, unless you're a fire artist/technician like Ken, I'm
pretty sure the colored flame is not worth the trouble. All those
bottles of fuels mixed with salts to tote around, all the salt-encrusted
wicks you have to deal with, the smell of solvents in your car and
apartment, the fretting about whether the methanol fumes are slowly
blinding you or the combustion products of the metal salts are some
new, unforeseen carcinogen or chronic exposure toxin, the sight of your
torches disintegrating and the cost of replacing them, and the guilt
of borrowing your friends' torches and destroying them as well cannot be
worth the few seconds of seeing those gorgeous colors. Believe me,
I've been there.
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