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In article <1993Jan25.194739.3645@mlb.semi.harris.com>,
mwp@ms9.mis.semi.harris.com (Mark W. Poole) writes:
> It looks my next plane will be a Goldberg Ultimate Biplane,
> and was wondering what engines you might recommend.  The box 
> states:
> 
> 	 ".60-.90 2c or .90-1.20 4c"
> 
> What have you "netters" seen used on this plane and how was
> the performance?  I'd like to go with a 4c but the cost may
> be unreasonable to me.  Would an OS 61 BB be enough power?
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Mark.

Here's my $.02 worth:

From what I've seen of the Goldberg Ultimate, it looks like most of the
'stronger' .61's (Y.S., OS SF, SuperTiger) will fly the airplane, but
if you want PERFORMANCE (i.e., pattern-capable), then a 1.20 4C is a 
must.  I'd go with the Y.S. 120 (the A/R is a brute, but the 'normal'
1.20 is more than enuf for this bird) or with the OS 1.20 Surpass II
with pump.  The major differences between these 2 engines that I have 
observed are:

        Y.S.                                O.S.
    lighter  (?? not sure)             comes with muffler 
    slightly stronger  (*)             may be more available
    expensive exhaust system           cheaper, counting exhaust system
    runs great out of the box          runs equally great after a
                                         protracted break-in period
                                         (like 4-5 gallons of fuel)

I own one of the OS 1.20 pumped motors, several friends own the Y.S.

I drive a 9 lb+ MK Lazer with mine, run a 14.4 X 10.5 APC prop at
9,800 RPM static, and have virtually unlimited vertical.  However,
it's taking a long time to get it "broken in" to where it will idle
reliably.  It IS getting there, however.  Others with the Y.S. are
generally running the same or similar size APC props, perhaps 300 -
500 RPM faster.  But, they spend a lot of money replacing flexible
header pipes and mufflers, where I use the stock, comes-with-the-
motor OS muffler with no problems.

I have seen the GB Ultimate with a strong OS .61 SF RE with a pipe,
that flew well, but ran out of steam real quick on the verticals.  I
have also seen a GB Ultimate with a Y.S. 120 do a knife-edge loop.

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In article <C1Fo44.1uv4@austin.ibm.com> root@austin.ibm.com () writes:

[original posting regarding .61 in CG Ultimate deleted]
>
>From what I've seen of the Goldberg Ultimate, it looks like most of the
>'stronger' .61's (Y.S., OS SF, SuperTiger) will fly the airplane, but
>if you want PERFORMANCE (i.e., pattern-capable), then a 1.20 4C is a 
>must.  I'd go with the Y.S. 120 (the A/R is a brute, but the 'normal'

I don't own an Ultimate [yet  :)  ], but I've seen several at our field
and I must agree that a .61 will fly it, but a 1.20 4C will take it
vertical on takeoff.

One of the nice things about living in Chicago is that once and awhile
Dave Patrick (VP Goldberg models) will give a talk at our club and bring
along one of his latest creations. When the Ultimate first came out
he brought it along and one of the questions was: Will a .61 fly it?
His response was: Yes, in fact his initial testing was performed using
a K&B .65 Sportster (I guess a sort of lowest-common-denominator
type test). He did mention that for the type of performance you would
expect out of the Ultimate, you should use a 1.20 4C.

				- Jeff


BTW: Dave will be at our club meeting next month. Don't know what he
     is bringing along this time. Date is Feb 16 @ 7:30 p.m. at the
     Downers Grove, Il. VFW on Belmont Ave. Stop in if your in the area.
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>
>What have you "netters" seen used on this plane and how was
>the performance?  I'd like to go with a 4c but the cost may
>be unreasonable to me.  Would an OS 61 BB be enough power?
>



  I have seen one at the field, and the owner used to have .80 2 stroke in it. 
He changed it to a 1.20 4 scroke and is much happier with preformance.

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