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Article #5720Re: period fighting styles
From: Matthew J. Stum
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:24
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:24
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Greetings unto the Rialto! I'll throw in my $0.0175 while the discussion is still hot... 1) Hands: I haven't seen that much problem with blocking with the hands around here. I must admit, though, that most of our guys like basket hilts on their swords <shudder>, although they don't use them to the degree that was mentioned earlier. I personally don't like baskets because it ruins the "feel" of my fighting persona (kind of Vikingish... I haven't narrowed it down yet). I _have_ sustained a broken pinky (at least I think it was broken) when I attempted two-swords for the first time w/o anything 'cept hockey gloves over my hand. Yeah yeah, I know... it's not gonna happen again. :) I _do_ instinctively block with my hands during two-swords and any kind of pole-arm work, but I'm sure in time I could train myself not to. I personally wouldn't mind the option of saying that my arm was out of action if my hand is hit. <shrug> It makes as much sense to me as the groin shot: "Never EVER aim there... but if you're hit, then it's good." 2) Shields: Well, this kind of back on the topic of hands again, but why does S&S work REQUIRE you to block with your hands??? I block with my shield! ;-) And yes, my blade quite a bit too... but I don't think I've ever taken more than one or two hand-shots while fighting S&S. And yes, I'm one of those crazies who actually _likes_ S&S, specially since I finished my first center-grip... my defense has improved _much_. But I also agree that it's sad that we somehow can't re-create the dynamics of a shield against real steel. For one, a pole-arm, specially a maul, or a mace is gonna either smash the shield with a couple of blows, or smash the arm underneath by the impact. Either way, the effects are the same. And then there's the idea that the sword is allowed to sink into the grain of the wood and then the shield is jerked one way or another to disarm the swordsman. 3) Taking prisoners: Wouldn't disabling the arm be the _most_ effective way of subduing your opponent with the least risk of killing him? (Given that we're not allowed any grappling tactics in the SCA.) I've also not seen the problem of people using their arm as a defense because fighters don't aim for the arms for chivalrous reasons... quite the opposite around here, actually. And besides, we're all _allowed_ to be noblemen, but that doesn't mean we've all chosen that persona... I don't think the Vikings or Celts cared much for taking prisoners...'cept the women-folk... :) Words from a newbie, Gwydion -- Matt Stum Gwydion ap Myrddin Ball State University 00mjstum@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu Shire of Afonlyn, MK Muncie, IN USA
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