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Article #6157Re: Peers-in-training
From: Andrea Marie Habura
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:21
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:21
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Ah, this topic again. OK, my opinion (old readers of the Rialto may want to hit "n"; you've already seen my views): I'm a protege, to a Pelican in a different Kingdom. The reason I wanted to become a protege is due both to my personality and to my real-world training. In the sciences, there is a very strong mentoring system (there are chains of mentor-protege relationships that are really stunning in their length); this stems from the system where graduate students take advisers who help them focus their research, cheer them up when something didn't work, noodge them to do stuff that's good for them, etc. In return, the grad student furthers the research of the adviser, helps teach undergrads, keeps the lab running and occasionally cheers up the *adviser*. A good relationship outlasts the grad student's doctoral defense, and that's how the chains form. This system works well for me, and I feel that it has helped me along tremendously. I think it's only natural that I would look for such a relationship in the SCA. My Pelican, who is as heraldry-obsessed as I am, functions as a sounding board for new projects, offers good, relatively unbiased and friendly opinions on things, gives me the occasional shove (which I need at times), and so on. We haven't worked out clearly what I'm doing in return (heraldry can be done long distance, but we don't see each other nearly enough), but he seems to enjoy the relationship. We also do things together; we're cooking up a class for the Knowne Worlde Heraldic Symposium this year. I suspect I'm getting more benefit from the relationship than he is; I like the sense of feeling "anchored". On the other hand, my husband has a personality opposite mine; he does not like to be told what to do. He was squired for a few years to an Eastern knight, and it manifestly did not work. (We are still very good friends with the knight; in fact, we are very happily members of his household. The problem was not a personality clash; it was the nature of the knight-squire relationship.) Relationships like this are not for everyone. Status: I'd be fooling myself if I thought there was no status associated with such a relationship. A number of people were suprised that my husband gave back his belt; I suspect it was seen as a come-down. In my case, I wear no belt (my Pel doesn't want me to, which is fine by me), so the only people aware of the situation in my Kingdom are those herald-types who happen to know both of us. (And all of you now, of course.) I don't think that it has any effect on my percieved status, and I don't really care. I have heard Pelicans refuse to take proteges because they felt 1) they had nothing to teach and 2) it would only be political patronage (exact phrase used.) I don't agree, but they have a right to do whatever they wish. Alison MacDermot *Ex Ungue Leonem*
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Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!destroyer!gatech!rpi!habura From: habura@vccnw12.its.rpi.edu (Andrea Marie Habura) Subject: Re: Peers-in-training Message-ID: <mwr3dm@rpi.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: vccnw12.its.rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY References: <C1Its7.MAJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:21:42 GMT Lines: 48