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Article #6167Re: antipathy to fencing
From: Mark Schuldenfrei
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:04
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:04
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shick@europa.eng.gtefsd.com (steve hick) writes: I wrote: In many ways, SCA fence as I've experienced it, is closer to a period model than SCA fighting. This may be that, being so late period, we do have many good manuscripts and illustrations that we can imitate. It certainly appears that literate means were not used to teach swordplay in period, or that none of the European written works survive. Strykar answered: False, false, false. There exists almost 100 manuals of fencing prior to 1500 in manuscript-THAT WE KNOW OF, with more being discovered all the time. There are some 60 or so of GERMAN style alone. There are 100 or so manuals of Italian fening PRINTED between 1500 and 1600. Thank you! Those manuals that you described, do they portray rapier style duelling and swordfighting, or a martial art more like the heavy list style that we do? And, if they do describe tournament style martial arts, how well does our recreation compare to them? The argument that I'm making, should be clear. I'm not arguing that our fencing is a superlative simulation of period rapier dueling. What I would argue is that our heavy list fighting is no better. Do any of the facts you are aware of, Strykar, support this? (I might further make the argument that given the level of documentation, our rapier dueling may turn out to be more authenticable, and eventually more authentic, but I haven't done enough reading, thinking or talking with people to be sure.) Tibor (and thanks again for the response) -- Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com) [I'm just showin' you my opinions: this ain't a gift]
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Newsgroups: rec.org.sca Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!think.com!linus!progress!schuldy From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei) Subject: Re: antipathy to fencing Message-ID: <1993Jan11.180437.27297@progress.com> Sender: usenet@progress.com (Mr. Usenet) Nntp-Posting-Host: ellis Organization: Progress Software Corp. References: <1993Jan8.231044.7601@progress.com> <9301111057.AA37304@hick.asd.contel.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:04:37 GMT Lines: 35