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Benjamin Dowse wrote:

> I am only after an opinion. You are not expected to read every single
> sentence in this post.
>
> Hello. My name is Benjamin. I've been talking with Jeff Hardy from NSW
> National Parks and Wildlife, Bill Atkinson from the NSW Department of
> Agriculture, and Eric Davis from NSW Agriculture. I've also talked to
> several people who own very good pet/plant stores who are willing to be
> accredited with proper organisations that protect both the pets and the
> owners.
>
> I've talked to Bob Withey and Stuart Barnes and they both agree with me
> that there is a very, and I mean VERY serious problem with Australian
> exotic reptile keeping laws - there is just absolutely NO legal solution
> to the problem, and as far as I'm concerned, the politicans could care
> less about the ROOT CAUSES OF SMUGGLING - they will never and I mean
> never, ever cut any ice with me!!! As I have said before if the laws
> don't change one of these days I will eventually go somewhere, because
> over the months I've got it all worked out that I've had it with this
> country and I have absolutely no way of escaping from this place of
> abhorrent socio-political lunacy (although I will admit Australia is a
> wonderful place to live in, we still use very pathetic and possessive
> laws. I think Australia still thinks it owns me.
>
> So, let me presume why Australia should be avoided at ANY COST for any
> reptile keeper from ANY OTHER part of the world. Let mother nature kill
> us instead by way of earthquake or global warming. Let the indonesians
> break our heads with a hail of bullets whilst we still know absolutely
> everything about absolutely nothing at all (or, we blindly try to) -
> except that the Australian politicians love to get that ego trip when
> they control what their private citizens are able to do. Just take a
> look at a few of our *VERY SERIOUS* political problems that we have in
> what is supposed to be a VERY SPECIAL PLACE - This land AUSTRALIA. And
> AUSTRALIA is heading for a bad, and I mean VERY bad turn. And you can
> thank all these dumb ignorant minority groups who seem to have all the
> power. It's a little like that pathetic social class rubbish that you
> always hear about all the time. And it's about time someone got off
> their lazy acre and did something about it before it is TOO LATE! Nearly
> all of America are so damn scared that they are going to turn into some
> over-regulated dump like Australia. So, Australians, just try and answer
> to that statement? Because you have some little minority serving groups
> who think they own this country. Well, I'll give you an honest and
> whole-hearted piece of my mind - they can...I'll mind the foul mouth for
> the sake of being polite (I have also sent courtesy copies to some other
> important people and I wish not to offend anyone). It's little wonder
> crime is getting worse everywhere, people are getting so damned sick of
> everything that is happening to them. You break a little, and then, you
> break a lot. And I'm talking about the sunburnt country, Australia, and
> not America. Civil liberties go DOWN, and, like it or loathe it, crime
> (especially murder and assault because about 50% of it is provoked
> although indirectly by high-class hippies to even begin with) goes UP.
>
> Just a few political problems: (a few, I mean, yeah sure?) And these are
> good enough reasons to NOT come and live in this country. Australia has
> records for violations of the well-known UN charter of HUMAN RIGHTS!
> Don't think so? Well, God help you...If you can't agree with voluntary
> voting then Australia will remain the same old country, it will go up
> and then it will go down, and then it will go OUT just like a
> light-globe. Tha'ts right, BANG!!! Only then, only then will Australia
> become a TRUE DEMOCRACY like the great country as we all know it, the
> great U.S. of A. Australia can only get worse before it can get any
> better. Or is it that it is already as worse as it can possibly get???
> Citizens in very large numbers have to spark an outrage before anything
> is done in Australia. The problem really is, you only need one single
> mistake and Australia turns you around and kicks your ...(I'll be polite
> here) for you. It's GROSSLY UNFAIR. Australia thinks it has the right to
> dictate to you when in light of Australia's nepotism and gang-fueled
> political system of government, it is in absolutely NO position to even
> dare, and I mean DARE, to dictate at all.
>
> Answer this for me. Who arranged for the Cane Toad (our WORST pest
> problem) to be brought into Australia? Was it the same people who now,
> despite the fact that it's too damned late, still dictate to us what we
> should keep as a personal pet. Was it the same people who still now,
> despite the fact that then, still think that they know everything? Is
> Australia really hopeless when it comes to trusting what it's citizens
> do. Perhaps Australia likes the idea of treating us like we're
> imbeciles, when you and I know that we are certainly the opposite - it's
> just that we have politicians who still live in the old days with those
> ideas.
>
> Australia is a dump for reptile keepers. And that's a statement that I
> simply refuse to take back in light of the great reptile laws in the
> U.S.A. and England (yeah, you heard it, England. Our mother country!!!).
> I wonder what the son of mother queen is up to now?!
>
> There are so many reasons why the U.S.A. whips the living daylights out
> of Australia, and these reasons are damned good reasons why. The USA is
> the goldmine country for civil liberties. The sad trouble is, America is
> on ONE end of the scale, whilst Austalia is on the OTHER. You want my
> personal opinion, NO COUNTRY IS PERFECT. But Australia sure as hell
> needs improvement, and LOTS of it at that.
>
> * Here in Australia, we are literally FORCED to vote. If NOT, we get
> FINED, and then we go to GAOL!!! !!! !!! !!! !!!
>
> * Here in Australia, you cannot carry personal firearms for your own
> protection. Can you count, I mean it, count, the number of incidents in
> the U.S.A. where firearms uses were only too neccessary (there was one
> incident caught on video, except that the clowns who run the Australian
> media dont want you to know!!! !!! !!!). I can PROVE, and I mean PROVE
> that the crime rate such as rape, assault, and murder have actually
> SLOWED DOWN, and I mean SLOWED DOWN HARD where firearms laws are
> liberalised. Take a look at states in the US that have now allowed
> people to carry concealed firearms. You see, if Australia didn't have a
> dictatorial control-freak view of politics, then this would be no issue,
> but, unfortunately, it is very, and I mean, SERIOUSLY wrong. I don't
> care if there are massacres at churches in Texas, or high school
> massacres in Colorado, or shoot-outs in New York City, or stock-market
> trading centre incidents in Georgia - these incidents are a few mental
> cases who obviously cant control their emotions. I don't give a damn.
> It's all to do with social problems!!! And the remedy principle =
> LIBERTY, LOVE, AND...JUSTICE! Do you think Australia cares about
> LIBERTY. Do you think it cares even about JUSTICE. That, I cannot
> answer, because America has it's problems as well.
>
> * Here in Australia, if you are assaulted, you have very little
> recourse, number 1 because you cannot protect yourself because of
> Australia's pathetic and ABSOLUTELY USELESS protection laws, and number
> 2 because our legal system is so badly screwed up - full of clowns who
> want to make some money - in other words, in plain english you
> practically must BEAT and/or KILL your attacker (attackers usually, if
> you're waking up to our gang problems!!!) with your BARE HANDS!!! Now if
> that is not a challenge???!!! And, if you have private health cover in
> the U.S.A. you are virtually guaranteed instant hospital care. In
> Australia, if you have private health cover (which as far as I'm
> concerned is just as, if not more, expensive than the U.S.A.) you are
> just simply not as lucky!!! Hospitals here in Australia are being abused
> at a rate of enormity. It is *disgusting* and it has to stop NOW!!!
> Let's implement more financial/income/means testing screening BEFORE we
> issue MEDICARE CARDS to ANYONE!!! The health-care system in Australia
> has been used and abused to the point where I personally could not get
> certain health care because the funding had been severely cut! WHY I ask
> myself??? The answer is there!
>
> * Here in Australia, you can get away with just about any form of
> political abuse. And we call this country a democracy. The first major,
> and I mean MAJOR political abuse, just like our mother, England, we are
> FORCED to vote. This is absolutely, and I mean UNACCEPTABLE and MUST
> CHANGE if there is to be ANY improvement in this country EVER.
>
> So, here are the THREE (3) REASONS WHY Australia is not good news for
> reptile keepers:
>
> Number One
>
> (1) Australia has always had a very random (by way of involuntary votes)
> or nepotism-based (you know, likes to suck up to his teddy bear friends)
> political system. It is run by small minority groups. Australia doesn't
> give a damn about environmental conservation. If Australia did, we'd see
> something happening about those repulsive cane toads, and we don't I'll
> have you know. But, due to the pathetic laws that rule this country, and
> special thanks to a pathetic red-tape situation we have here, NOTHING
> can be DONE about anything.
>
> Number Two
>
> (2) Australia thinks it knows better than it's citizens. One example of
> this is when I talked to someone in Agriculture they said there was a
> concern for public safety in the issue of exotic reptiles. NOW YOU AND I
> KNOW THAT IS UTTER NONSENSE!!! I could understand if they were referring
> to Cobras, Rattlesnakes, Mambas or Vipers. But I was talking about Corn
> Snakes and HARMLESS colubrids, and NOT POISONOUS animals like the native
> animals we have here in Australia which pose a much greater threat to
> public safety to everyone. So much for idiotic politicians with some
> wierd pathetic idea.

How about competition affecting local wildlife, particularly endagered
species

>
>
> Number Three
>
> (3) The major problem is ALL POLITICAL, and I MEAN, I MEAN, ALL
> POLITICAL. There is ABSOLUTELY NO conservative approach to Australia AT
> ALL. In fact, if you want my personal opinion, this country is running
> into serious problems with the Asians and the Indonesians. And I can
> personally guarantee that, within about 50-100 years, Australia is down
> fever creek. Indonesians will hail us down with bullets, ahhh, sorry,
> NO, they'll just stick some sort of biological 'bomb' in Australia and
> silently wipe us out with some sort of man-made pathogen. AND ALONG with
> ALL of our native wildlife AS WELL.
>
> So, can you answer these two questions with HONESTY? and not just what
> you personally think, I want them aswered honestly...
>
> 1) Does Australia really care about it's native wildlife. Just look at
> the Cane Toad fiasco up in Queensland. Now, it's down in Sawtel and
> Urunga, and up in Coffs Harbour? Yeah right! Australia couldn't care
> less!
>
> 2) Do you HONESTLY think that by actively banning any legal way to
> obtain exotic reptiles is going to be an advantage to Australia? Yeah,
> I'm sure it will...NOT!!! Just take a look at the Corn Snakes in the
> Blue Mountains. These corn snakes were released by a person who was
> afraid he was about to be caught with exotic reptiles. Who is to blame?
> Special thanks to some lethargic and grossly ignorant politicians who
> don't have the time to come up with something decent. No, nothing decent
> has ever been mentioned yet. No wonder Australia is no good for
> anything. The real trouble is, politicians are both paranoid and
> ignorant. Gee whez, damn, that is a REALLY BAD combination, isn't it?
> Don't blame the corn-snake owner, blame the overbearing Australian
> government, and their minorities organisations at that. What idiot would
> worry about milk snakes in Australia? There is PROOF and I mean PROOF in
> that a lot of exotic reptiles would NEVER be able to establish
> themselves in Australia because of it's very brutal conditions.
>
> Benjamin.
> (I am getting a children's python at the end of the year when they
> breed! They are pretty little pythons!)

Julie Clark <nymphett@babcom.apana.org.au> wrote in message
news:37E947FA.241509B8@babcom.apana.org.au...

[..]

: How about competition affecting local wildlife, particularly endagered
: species

How about you learn not to quote 13k of crap just to make one lousy point.

--

e pluribus unum

DRS wrote:
> 
> Julie Clark <nymphett@babcom.apana.org.au> wrote in message
> news:37E947FA.241509B8@babcom.apana.org.au...
> 
> [..]
> 
> : How about competition affecting local wildlife, particularly endagered
> : species
> 
> How about you learn not to quote 13k of crap just to make one lousy point.
> 

And the 'point' wasn't worth making anyway ,as the original poster is
known to to be immune any such logic.

Alecto.

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:46:30 +1000, Benjamin Dowse
<bendowse@hotmail.com> wrote:


snip
>worry about milk snakes in Australia? There is PROOF and I mean PROOF in
>that a lot of exotic reptiles would NEVER be able to establish
>themselves in Australia because of it's very brutal conditions.

rabbits!
toads!
.......... all for 'good reason' .... all economic and agricultural
pests.

All we need now is some foreign reptiles to x-breed with insects doped
up on DNA modified plant material.....  and the result might just add
reality to the expression 'Great Leaping Lizards, Batman'   :->




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Benjamin Dowse <bendowse@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:37E8EBBE.CB61EA93@usa.net...

> I am only after an opinion.

Great, my opinion is that you are just another yank etc we
can well do without. You dont approve of how we do things
here ?  Who cares, you're free to leave any time you like.

> You are not expected to read every single sentence in this post.

Rave on actually.

> Great, my opinion is that you are just another yank etc we
> can well do without. You dont approve of how we do things
> here ?  Who cares, you're free to leave any time you like.

You obviously don't give a stuff about the native wildlife, otherwise
you'd be in favour of having our wildlife collected and put into
sanctuaries where they can breed, thereby allowing us to keep a better
range of exotic species. But, due to our lack of empathy for people in
this situation, and due to our pathetic political system, and due to
some dickheads in high places, this would effectively be impossible.

All you need is a few arseholes to put a spoke in the wheel and there
you go, a very fucked up system indeed.

> How about competition affecting local wildlife, particularly endagered
> species

Julie, Number (1) We can actaully go out and bring all these native endangered
species into special sanctuaries where they can be bred properly and ensured
of a survival of the species concerned - why don't take up what the Yanks do.
The good old Yanks have the idea - you see, it is all POLITICS and nothing
else - we don't do a damn thing about anything when it's important. Number (2)
while this is actually a good argument. As I have said before Julia, this
argument is lesser and lesser in light of our most recent ~50 years ecological
damage that we've done with introduced species such as Cane toads, foxes,
rabbits, exotic terrapins, and God what have you.

And, what's worse, NOTHING has been done about it, and I mean NOTHING.

The Nashos and Aggies have done really nothing about it all. And now the Cane
toad is getting so much worse. You must understand Julie, it is *all*
political. And nothing else. You need not tell me about competition. That
argument has been closed off because we can actually save our wildlife. It's
just that Australia has a seriously pathetic system of protecting it's
wildlife. And it's all about beaurocracy and control-freak green movement.

leave us - u won`t be missed

yea lets introduce as many exotic species as we can - that will be good for
local eco systems (and on your USA USA note (apolagies to amreicans) i`m
kinda glad cockroaches like u can NOT obtain firearms

have a nice trip :)




Benjamin Dowse <bendowse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:37E8EBBE.CB61EA93@usa.net...
> I am only after an opinion. You are not expected to read every single
> sentence in this post.
>
> Hello. My name is Benjamin. I've been talking with Jeff Hardy from NSW
> National Parks and Wildlife, Bill Atkinson from the NSW Department of
> Agriculture, and Eric Davis from NSW Agriculture. I've also talked to
> several people who own very good pet/plant stores who are willing to be
> accredited with proper organisations that protect both the pets and the
> owners.
>
> I've talked to Bob Withey and Stuart Barnes and they both agree with me
> that there is a very, and I mean VERY serious problem with Australian
> exotic reptile keeping laws - there is just absolutely NO legal solution
> to the problem, and as far as I'm concerned, the politicans could care
> less about the ROOT CAUSES OF SMUGGLING - they will never and I mean
> never, ever cut any ice with me!!! As I have said before if the laws
> don't change one of these days I will eventually go somewhere, because
> over the months I've got it all worked out that I've had it with this
> country and I have absolutely no way of escaping from this place of
> abhorrent socio-political lunacy (although I will admit Australia is a
> wonderful place to live in, we still use very pathetic and possessive
> laws. I think Australia still thinks it owns me.
>
> So, let me presume why Australia should be avoided at ANY COST for any
> reptile keeper from ANY OTHER part of the world. Let mother nature kill
> us instead by way of earthquake or global warming. Let the indonesians
> break our heads with a hail of bullets whilst we still know absolutely
> everything about absolutely nothing at all (or, we blindly try to) -
> except that the Australian politicians love to get that ego trip when
> they control what their private citizens are able to do. Just take a
> look at a few of our *VERY SERIOUS* political problems that we have in
> what is supposed to be a VERY SPECIAL PLACE - This land AUSTRALIA. And
> AUSTRALIA is heading for a bad, and I mean VERY bad turn. And you can
> thank all these dumb ignorant minority groups who seem to have all the
> power. It's a little like that pathetic social class rubbish that you
> always hear about all the time. And it's about time someone got off
> their lazy acre and did something about it before it is TOO LATE! Nearly
> all of America are so damn scared that they are going to turn into some
> over-regulated dump like Australia. So, Australians, just try and answer
> to that statement? Because you have some little minority serving groups
> who think they own this country. Well, I'll give you an honest and
> whole-hearted piece of my mind - they can...I'll mind the foul mouth for
> the sake of being polite (I have also sent courtesy copies to some other
> important people and I wish not to offend anyone). It's little wonder
> crime is getting worse everywhere, people are getting so damned sick of
> everything that is happening to them. You break a little, and then, you
> break a lot. And I'm talking about the sunburnt country, Australia, and
> not America. Civil liberties go DOWN, and, like it or loathe it, crime
> (especially murder and assault because about 50% of it is provoked
> although indirectly by high-class hippies to even begin with) goes UP.
>
> Just a few political problems: (a few, I mean, yeah sure?) And these are
> good enough reasons to NOT come and live in this country. Australia has
> records for violations of the well-known UN charter of HUMAN RIGHTS!
> Don't think so? Well, God help you...If you can't agree with voluntary
> voting then Australia will remain the same old country, it will go up
> and then it will go down, and then it will go OUT just like a
> light-globe. Tha'ts right, BANG!!! Only then, only then will Australia
> become a TRUE DEMOCRACY like the great country as we all know it, the
> great U.S. of A. Australia can only get worse before it can get any
> better. Or is it that it is already as worse as it can possibly get???
> Citizens in very large numbers have to spark an outrage before anything
> is done in Australia. The problem really is, you only need one single
> mistake and Australia turns you around and kicks your ...(I'll be polite
> here) for you. It's GROSSLY UNFAIR. Australia thinks it has the right to
> dictate to you when in light of Australia's nepotism and gang-fueled
> political system of government, it is in absolutely NO position to even
> dare, and I mean DARE, to dictate at all.
>
> Answer this for me. Who arranged for the Cane Toad (our WORST pest
> problem) to be brought into Australia? Was it the same people who now,
> despite the fact that it's too damned late, still dictate to us what we
> should keep as a personal pet. Was it the same people who still now,
> despite the fact that then, still think that they know everything? Is
> Australia really hopeless when it comes to trusting what it's citizens
> do. Perhaps Australia likes the idea of treating us like we're
> imbeciles, when you and I know that we are certainly the opposite - it's
> just that we have politicians who still live in the old days with those
> ideas.
>
> Australia is a dump for reptile keepers. And that's a statement that I
> simply refuse to take back in light of the great reptile laws in the
> U.S.A. and England (yeah, you heard it, England. Our mother country!!!).
> I wonder what the son of mother queen is up to now?!
>
> There are so many reasons why the U.S.A. whips the living daylights out
> of Australia, and these reasons are damned good reasons why. The USA is
> the goldmine country for civil liberties. The sad trouble is, America is
> on ONE end of the scale, whilst Austalia is on the OTHER. You want my
> personal opinion, NO COUNTRY IS PERFECT. But Australia sure as hell
> needs improvement, and LOTS of it at that.
>
> * Here in Australia, we are literally FORCED to vote. If NOT, we get
> FINED, and then we go to GAOL!!! !!! !!! !!! !!!
>
> * Here in Australia, you cannot carry personal firearms for your own
> protection. Can you count, I mean it, count, the number of incidents in
> the U.S.A. where firearms uses were only too neccessary (there was one
> incident caught on video, except that the clowns who run the Australian
> media dont want you to know!!! !!! !!!). I can PROVE, and I mean PROVE
> that the crime rate such as rape, assault, and murder have actually
> SLOWED DOWN, and I mean SLOWED DOWN HARD where firearms laws are
> liberalised. Take a look at states in the US that have now allowed
> people to carry concealed firearms. You see, if Australia didn't have a
> dictatorial control-freak view of politics, then this would be no issue,
> but, unfortunately, it is very, and I mean, SERIOUSLY wrong. I don't
> care if there are massacres at churches in Texas, or high school
> massacres in Colorado, or shoot-outs in New York City, or stock-market
> trading centre incidents in Georgia - these incidents are a few mental
> cases who obviously cant control their emotions. I don't give a damn.
> It's all to do with social problems!!! And the remedy principle =
> LIBERTY, LOVE, AND...JUSTICE! Do you think Australia cares about
> LIBERTY. Do you think it cares even about JUSTICE. That, I cannot
> answer, because America has it's problems as well.
>
> * Here in Australia, if you are assaulted, you have very little
> recourse, number 1 because you cannot protect yourself because of
> Australia's pathetic and ABSOLUTELY USELESS protection laws, and number
> 2 because our legal system is so badly screwed up - full of clowns who
> want to make some money - in other words, in plain english you
> practically must BEAT and/or KILL your attacker (attackers usually, if
> you're waking up to our gang problems!!!) with your BARE HANDS!!! Now if
> that is not a challenge???!!! And, if you have private health cover in
> the U.S.A. you are virtually guaranteed instant hospital care. In
> Australia, if you have private health cover (which as far as I'm
> concerned is just as, if not more, expensive than the U.S.A.) you are
> just simply not as lucky!!! Hospitals here in Australia are being abused
> at a rate of enormity. It is *disgusting* and it has to stop NOW!!!
> Let's implement more financial/income/means testing screening BEFORE we
> issue MEDICARE CARDS to ANYONE!!! The health-care system in Australia
> has been used and abused to the point where I personally could not get
> certain health care because the funding had been severely cut! WHY I ask
> myself??? The answer is there!
>
> * Here in Australia, you can get away with just about any form of
> political abuse. And we call this country a democracy. The first major,
> and I mean MAJOR political abuse, just like our mother, England, we are
> FORCED to vote. This is absolutely, and I mean UNACCEPTABLE and MUST
> CHANGE if there is to be ANY improvement in this country EVER.
>
> So, here are the THREE (3) REASONS WHY Australia is not good news for
> reptile keepers:
>
> Number One
>
> (1) Australia has always had a very random (by way of involuntary votes)
> or nepotism-based (you know, likes to suck up to his teddy bear friends)
> political system. It is run by small minority groups. Australia doesn't
> give a damn about environmental conservation. If Australia did, we'd see
> something happening about those repulsive cane toads, and we don't I'll
> have you know. But, due to the pathetic laws that rule this country, and
> special thanks to a pathetic red-tape situation we have here, NOTHING
> can be DONE about anything.
>
> Number Two
>
> (2) Australia thinks it knows better than it's citizens. One example of
> this is when I talked to someone in Agriculture they said there was a
> concern for public safety in the issue of exotic reptiles. NOW YOU AND I
> KNOW THAT IS UTTER NONSENSE!!! I could understand if they were referring
> to Cobras, Rattlesnakes, Mambas or Vipers. But I was talking about Corn
> Snakes and HARMLESS colubrids, and NOT POISONOUS animals like the native
> animals we have here in Australia which pose a much greater threat to
> public safety to everyone. So much for idiotic politicians with some
> wierd pathetic idea.
>
> Number Three
>
> (3) The major problem is ALL POLITICAL, and I MEAN, I MEAN, ALL
> POLITICAL. There is ABSOLUTELY NO conservative approach to Australia AT
> ALL. In fact, if you want my personal opinion, this country is running
> into serious problems with the Asians and the Indonesians. And I can
> personally guarantee that, within about 50-100 years, Australia is down
> fever creek. Indonesians will hail us down with bullets, ahhh, sorry,
> NO, they'll just stick some sort of biological 'bomb' in Australia and
> silently wipe us out with some sort of man-made pathogen. AND ALONG with
> ALL of our native wildlife AS WELL.
>
> So, can you answer these two questions with HONESTY? and not just what
> you personally think, I want them aswered honestly...
>
> 1) Does Australia really care about it's native wildlife. Just look at
> the Cane Toad fiasco up in Queensland. Now, it's down in Sawtel and
> Urunga, and up in Coffs Harbour? Yeah right! Australia couldn't care
> less!
>
> 2) Do you HONESTLY think that by actively banning any legal way to
> obtain exotic reptiles is going to be an advantage to Australia? Yeah,
> I'm sure it will...NOT!!! Just take a look at the Corn Snakes in the
> Blue Mountains. These corn snakes were released by a person who was
> afraid he was about to be caught with exotic reptiles. Who is to blame?
> Special thanks to some lethargic and grossly ignorant politicians who
> don't have the time to come up with something decent. No, nothing decent
> has ever been mentioned yet. No wonder Australia is no good for
> anything. The real trouble is, politicians are both paranoid and
> ignorant. Gee whez, damn, that is a REALLY BAD combination, isn't it?
> Don't blame the corn-snake owner, blame the overbearing Australian
> government, and their minorities organisations at that. What idiot would
> worry about milk snakes in Australia? There is PROOF and I mean PROOF in
> that a lot of exotic reptiles would NEVER be able to establish
> themselves in Australia because of it's very brutal conditions.
>
> Benjamin.
> (I am getting a children's python at the end of the year when they
> breed! They are pretty little pythons!)
>

Ummmm Excuse me for being blunt Reptile Enthusio, but I don't think you have
a clue.



Reptile Enthusio <ocxmaker@usa.net> wrote in message
news:37E98F13.CFDDD2A2@usa.net...
> Julie, Number (1) We can actaully go out and bring all these native
endangered
> species into special sanctuaries where they can be bred properly and
ensured
> of a survival of the species concerned

Oh really?   Well even if we could, what sort of ecological functions do you
think they will perform in a zoo?  A zoo is a very poor method of conserving
a species, let alone genetic diversity.

<snip>

> As I have said before Julia, this
> argument is lesser and lesser in light of our most recent ~50 years
ecological
> damage that we've done with introduced species such as Cane toads, foxes,
> rabbits, exotic terrapins, and God what have you.

Bit unclear about what you are saying here, but I think that the last 100yrs
or so strengthens Julia's point.

>
> And, what's worse, NOTHING has been done about it, and I mean NOTHING.

A hell of a lot is being done - and a hell of a lot of money is being spent.

> The Nashos and Aggies have done really nothing about it all. And now the
Cane
> toad is getting so much worse.

The Cane Toad is spreading - but there is no evidence (yet) that it has
affected native wildlife, etc.  It's just an ugly animal.

> You must understand Julie, it is *all*
> political.

Its related to community attitudes more so than politics. But then again -
maybe they are the same thing anyway.  But its simpler to put extremely
complex ecological and socio-political problems down to "politics" than it
is to think about the REAL issues.

>And nothing else. You need not tell me about competition. That
> argument has been closed off because we can actually save our wildlife.

What makes you so sure we can save ALL our wildlife?  Species are going
extinct before we even discover them.  And once again you are ignoring other
important aspects of biodiversity.  Forget about the individual species and
look at the big picture.

> It's
> just that Australia has a seriously pathetic system of protecting it's
> wildlife. And it's all about beaurocracy and control-freak green movement.

Maybe you are right, maybe it has nothing to do with individual attitudes
and priorities, property rights, complex ecological interactions that people
do not understand, fragmented habitats, water quality decline, habitat
destruction for agriculture, etc, etc, etc - or feral animals.   Maybe it is
just governments and greens.  Maybe all of those other issues are imagined.

So what is your solution?  Build more zoos?

Monte

Rod Speed wrote:
> 
> Benjamin Dowse <bendowse@hotmail.com> wrote
> in message news:37E8EBBE.CB61EA93@usa.net...
> 
> > I am only after an opinion.
> 
> Great, my opinion is that you are just another yank etc we
> can well do without. You dont approve of how we do things
> here ?  Who cares, you're free to leave any time you like.
> 

I think we established the fact some time ago that he's from Hay
,Australia  ,America is where he thinks he'd like to be.

Alecto

The Full Monte <no@spam.no> wrote in message
news:SglG3.19953$1E2.150144@ozemail.com.au...

> Ummmm Excuse me for being blunt Reptile
> Enthusio, but I don't think you have a clue.

Ummmm Excuse me Full, I can call you Full ?

I dont think you noticed the sarcasm that was dripping off Reptile's post.

Man, you all.
Life IS good here.
I just got another snake.
I have lots of guns, including a new Glock.
I own a 4X4 SUV and a big, loaded car.
I am still planning on obtain either a Uro, or a BD.
I have all the personal freedom I could ever want.
Free to believe or not, and act on those beliefs or non-beliefs without
serious government intervention.
My tax rate is not THAT high.
I am about to purchase a second house.
I retire from the military in just over 2 years.
The coffee is hot.
The gin imported.
And my olives are stuffed with garlic and jalepenos.

It IS great to be an American.

PS I am not making any of this up.


spie <spie@serverops.com> wrote in message
news:37e9bc19@isupx1.isd.tafensw.edu.au...
> leave us - u won`t be missed
>
> yea lets introduce as many exotic species as we can - that will be good
for
> local eco systems (and on your USA USA note (apolagies to amreicans) i`m
> kinda glad cockroaches like u can NOT obtain firearms
>
> have a nice trip :)
>
>
>
>
> Benjamin Dowse <bendowse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:37E8EBBE.CB61EA93@usa.net...
> > I am only after an opinion. You are not expected to read every single
> > sentence in this post.
> >
> > Hello. My name is Benjamin. I've been talking with Jeff Hardy from NSW
> > National Parks and Wildlife, Bill Atkinson from the NSW Department of
> > Agriculture, and Eric Davis from NSW Agriculture. I've also talked to
> > several people who own very good pet/plant stores who are willing to be
> > accredited with proper organisations that protect both the pets and the
> > owners.
> >
> > I've talked to Bob Withey and Stuart Barnes and they both agree with me
> > that there is a very, and I mean VERY serious problem with Australian
> > exotic reptile keeping laws - there is just absolutely NO legal solution
> > to the problem, and as far as I'm concerned, the politicans could care
> > less about the ROOT CAUSES OF SMUGGLING - they will never and I mean
> > never, ever cut any ice with me!!! As I have said before if the laws
> > don't change one of these days I will eventually go somewhere, because
> > over the months I've got it all worked out that I've had it with this
> > country and I have absolutely no way of escaping from this place of
> > abhorrent socio-political lunacy (although I will admit Australia is a
> > wonderful place to live in, we still use very pathetic and possessive
> > laws. I think Australia still thinks it owns me.
> >
> > So, let me presume why Australia should be avoided at ANY COST for any
> > reptile keeper from ANY OTHER part of the world. Let mother nature kill
> > us instead by way of earthquake or global warming. Let the indonesians
> > break our heads with a hail of bullets whilst we still know absolutely
> > everything about absolutely nothing at all (or, we blindly try to) -
> > except that the Australian politicians love to get that ego trip when
> > they control what their private citizens are able to do. Just take a
> > look at a few of our *VERY SERIOUS* political problems that we have in
> > what is supposed to be a VERY SPECIAL PLACE - This land AUSTRALIA. And
> > AUSTRALIA is heading for a bad, and I mean VERY bad turn. And you can
> > thank all these dumb ignorant minority groups who seem to have all the
> > power. It's a little like that pathetic social class rubbish that you
> > always hear about all the time. And it's about time someone got off
> > their lazy acre and did something about it before it is TOO LATE! Nearly
> > all of America are so damn scared that they are going to turn into some
> > over-regulated dump like Australia. So, Australians, just try and answer
> > to that statement? Because you have some little minority serving groups
> > who think they own this country. Well, I'll give you an honest and
> > whole-hearted piece of my mind - they can...I'll mind the foul mouth for
> > the sake of being polite (I have also sent courtesy copies to some other
> > important people and I wish not to offend anyone). It's little wonder
> > crime is getting worse everywhere, people are getting so damned sick of
> > everything that is happening to them. You break a little, and then, you
> > break a lot. And I'm talking about the sunburnt country, Australia, and
> > not America. Civil liberties go DOWN, and, like it or loathe it, crime
> > (especially murder and assault because about 50% of it is provoked
> > although indirectly by high-class hippies to even begin with) goes UP.
> >
> > Just a few political problems: (a few, I mean, yeah sure?) And these are
> > good enough reasons to NOT come and live in this country. Australia has
> > records for violations of the well-known UN charter of HUMAN RIGHTS!
> > Don't think so? Well, God help you...If you can't agree with voluntary
> > voting then Australia will remain the same old country, it will go up
> > and then it will go down, and then it will go OUT just like a
> > light-globe. Tha'ts right, BANG!!! Only then, only then will Australia
> > become a TRUE DEMOCRACY like the great country as we all know it, the
> > great U.S. of A. Australia can only get worse before it can get any
> > better. Or is it that it is already as worse as it can possibly get???
> > Citizens in very large numbers have to spark an outrage before anything
> > is done in Australia. The problem really is, you only need one single
> > mistake and Australia turns you around and kicks your ...(I'll be polite
> > here) for you. It's GROSSLY UNFAIR. Australia thinks it has the right to
> > dictate to you when in light of Australia's nepotism and gang-fueled
> > political system of government, it is in absolutely NO position to even
> > dare, and I mean DARE, to dictate at all.
> >
> > Answer this for me. Who arranged for the Cane Toad (our WORST pest
> > problem) to be brought into Australia? Was it the same people who now,
> > despite the fact that it's too damned late, still dictate to us what we
> > should keep as a personal pet. Was it the same people who still now,
> > despite the fact that then, still think that they know everything? Is
> > Australia really hopeless when it comes to trusting what it's citizens
> > do. Perhaps Australia likes the idea of treating us like we're
> > imbeciles, when you and I know that we are certainly the opposite - it's
> > just that we have politicians who still live in the old days with those
> > ideas.
> >
> > Australia is a dump for reptile keepers. And that's a statement that I
> > simply refuse to take back in light of the great reptile laws in the
> > U.S.A. and England (yeah, you heard it, England. Our mother country!!!).
> > I wonder what the son of mother queen is up to now?!
> >
> > There are so many reasons why the U.S.A. whips the living daylights out
> > of Australia, and these reasons are damned good reasons why. The USA is
> > the goldmine country for civil liberties. The sad trouble is, America is
> > on ONE end of the scale, whilst Austalia is on the OTHER. You want my
> > personal opinion, NO COUNTRY IS PERFECT. But Australia sure as hell
> > needs improvement, and LOTS of it at that.
> >
> > * Here in Australia, we are literally FORCED to vote. If NOT, we get
> > FINED, and then we go to GAOL!!! !!! !!! !!! !!!
> >
> > * Here in Australia, you cannot carry personal firearms for your own
> > protection. Can you count, I mean it, count, the number of incidents in
> > the U.S.A. where firearms uses were only too neccessary (there was one
> > incident caught on video, except that the clowns who run the Australian
> > media dont want you to know!!! !!! !!!). I can PROVE, and I mean PROVE
> > that the crime rate such as rape, assault, and murder have actually
> > SLOWED DOWN, and I mean SLOWED DOWN HARD where firearms laws are
> > liberalised. Take a look at states in the US that have now allowed
> > people to carry concealed firearms. You see, if Australia didn't have a
> > dictatorial control-freak view of politics, then this would be no issue,
> > but, unfortunately, it is very, and I mean, SERIOUSLY wrong. I don't
> > care if there are massacres at churches in Texas, or high school
> > massacres in Colorado, or shoot-outs in New York City, or stock-market
> > trading centre incidents in Georgia - these incidents are a few mental
> > cases who obviously cant control their emotions. I don't give a damn.
> > It's all to do with social problems!!! And the remedy principle =
> > LIBERTY, LOVE, AND...JUSTICE! Do you think Australia cares about
> > LIBERTY. Do you think it cares even about JUSTICE. That, I cannot
> > answer, because America has it's problems as well.
> >
> > * Here in Australia, if you are assaulted, you have very little
> > recourse, number 1 because you cannot protect yourself because of
> > Australia's pathetic and ABSOLUTELY USELESS protection laws, and number
> > 2 because our legal system is so badly screwed up - full of clowns who
> > want to make some money - in other words, in plain english you
> > practically must BEAT and/or KILL your attacker (attackers usually, if
> > you're waking up to our gang problems!!!) with your BARE HANDS!!! Now if
> > that is not a challenge???!!! And, if you have private health cover in
> > the U.S.A. you are virtually guaranteed instant hospital care. In
> > Australia, if you have private health cover (which as far as I'm
> > concerned is just as, if not more, expensive than the U.S.A.) you are
> > just simply not as lucky!!! Hospitals here in Australia are being abused
> > at a rate of enormity. It is *disgusting* and it has to stop NOW!!!
> > Let's implement more financial/income/means testing screening BEFORE we
> > issue MEDICARE CARDS to ANYONE!!! The health-care system in Australia
> > has been used and abused to the point where I personally could not get
> > certain health care because the funding had been severely cut! WHY I ask
> > myself??? The answer is there!
> >
> > * Here in Australia, you can get away with just about any form of
> > political abuse. And we call this country a democracy. The first major,
> > and I mean MAJOR political abuse, just like our mother, England, we are
> > FORCED to vote. This is absolutely, and I mean UNACCEPTABLE and MUST
> > CHANGE if there is to be ANY improvement in this country EVER.
> >
> > So, here are the THREE (3) REASONS WHY Australia is not good news for
> > reptile keepers:
> >
> > Number One
> >
> > (1) Australia has always had a very random (by way of involuntary votes)
> > or nepotism-based (you know, likes to suck up to his teddy bear friends)
> > political system. It is run by small minority groups. Australia doesn't
> > give a damn about environmental conservation. If Australia did, we'd see
> > something happening about those repulsive cane toads, and we don't I'll
> > have you know. But, due to the pathetic laws that rule this country, and
> > special thanks to a pathetic red-tape situation we have here, NOTHING
> > can be DONE about anything.
> >
> > Number Two
> >
> > (2) Australia thinks it knows better than it's citizens. One example of
> > this is when I talked to someone in Agriculture they said there was a
> > concern for public safety in the issue of exotic reptiles. NOW YOU AND I
> > KNOW THAT IS UTTER NONSENSE!!! I could understand if they were referring
> > to Cobras, Rattlesnakes, Mambas or Vipers. But I was talking about Corn
> > Snakes and HARMLESS colubrids, and NOT POISONOUS animals like the native
> > animals we have here in Australia which pose a much greater threat to
> > public safety to everyone. So much for idiotic politicians with some
> > wierd pathetic idea.
> >
> > Number Three
> >
> > (3) The major problem is ALL POLITICAL, and I MEAN, I MEAN, ALL
> > POLITICAL. There is ABSOLUTELY NO conservative approach to Australia AT
> > ALL. In fact, if you want my personal opinion, this country is running
> > into serious problems with the Asians and the Indonesians. And I can
> > personally guarantee that, within about 50-100 years, Australia is down
> > fever creek. Indonesians will hail us down with bullets, ahhh, sorry,
> > NO, they'll just stick some sort of biological 'bomb' in Australia and
> > silently wipe us out with some sort of man-made pathogen. AND ALONG with
> > ALL of our native wildlife AS WELL.
> >
> > So, can you answer these two questions with HONESTY? and not just what
> > you personally think, I want them aswered honestly...
> >
> > 1) Does Australia really care about it's native wildlife. Just look at
> > the Cane Toad fiasco up in Queensland. Now, it's down in Sawtel and
> > Urunga, and up in Coffs Harbour? Yeah right! Australia couldn't care
> > less!
> >
> > 2) Do you HONESTLY think that by actively banning any legal way to
> > obtain exotic reptiles is going to be an advantage to Australia? Yeah,
> > I'm sure it will...NOT!!! Just take a look at the Corn Snakes in the
> > Blue Mountains. These corn snakes were released by a person who was
> > afraid he was about to be caught with exotic reptiles. Who is to blame?
> > Special thanks to some lethargic and grossly ignorant politicians who
> > don't have the time to come up with something decent. No, nothing decent
> > has ever been mentioned yet. No wonder Australia is no good for
> > anything. The real trouble is, politicians are both paranoid and
> > ignorant. Gee whez, damn, that is a REALLY BAD combination, isn't it?
> > Don't blame the corn-snake owner, blame the overbearing Australian
> > government, and their minorities organisations at that. What idiot would
> > worry about milk snakes in Australia? There is PROOF and I mean PROOF in
> > that a lot of exotic reptiles would NEVER be able to establish
> > themselves in Australia because of it's very brutal conditions.
> >
> > Benjamin.
> > (I am getting a children's python at the end of the year when they
> > breed! They are pretty little pythons!)
> >
>
>
>
>

Alecto <alecto@goulburn.net.au> wrote in message news:37E9F0B8.F962F78E@goulburn.net.au...
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Benjamin Dowse <bendowse@hotmail.com> wrote

>>> I am only after an opinion.

>> Great, my opinion is that you are just another yank etc we
>> can well do without. You dont approve of how we do things
>> here ?  Who cares, you're free to leave any time you like.

> I think we established the fact some time ago that he's from Hay, Australia

Yeah, that's certainly what he claims.

Tho it appears to be being economical with the truth that
he is an australian. He claimed he would get auto yank
citizenship if he had been able to get there while under 18.

Thats why I deliberately use the 'another yank etc'

> America is where he thinks he'd like to be.

True. Sooner he leaves the better IMO. Corse
they are likely to not be silly enough to have him.

Rod Speed wrote:
> 
> Alecto <alecto@goulburn.net.au> wrote in message news:37E9F0B8.F962F78E@goulburn.net.au...
> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> Benjamin Dowse <bendowse@hotmail.com> wrote
> 
> >>> I am only after an opinion.
> 
> >> Great, my opinion is that you are just another yank etc we
> >> can well do without. You dont approve of how we do things
> >> here ?  Who cares, you're free to leave any time you like.
> 
> > I think we established the fact some time ago that he's from Hay, Australia
> 
> Yeah, that's certainly what he claims.

But I'm inclined to believe him on this(it fits).

> 
> Tho it appears to be being economical with the truth that
> he is an australian. He claimed he would get auto yank
> citizenship if he had been able to get there while under 18.
> 
> Thats why I deliberately use the 'another yank etc'
> 

Methinks he's been watching too many Yank Sitcoms.

> > America is where he thinks he'd like to be.
> 
> True. Sooner he leaves the better IMO. Corse
> they are likely to not be silly enough to have him.

Agreed.

Alecto.

Bob Huey wrote:
> 
> Man, you all.
> Life IS good here.
> I just got another snake.
> I have lots of guns, including a new Glock.
> I own a 4X4 SUV and a big, loaded car.
> I am still planning on obtain either a Uro, or a BD.
> I have all the personal freedom I could ever want.
> Free to believe or not, and act on those beliefs or non-beliefs without
> serious government intervention.
> My tax rate is not THAT high.
> I am about to purchase a second house.
> I retire from the military in just over 2 years.
> The coffee is hot.
> The gin imported.
> And my olives are stuffed with garlic and jalepenos.
> 
> It IS great to be an American.
> 
> PS I am not making any of this up.

Bullshit.

Hows about sticking to the one nick/mailhost! ,your shiting the people
who run kill files to tears.

Alecto

> Man, you all.
> Life IS good here.
> I just got another snake.
> I have lots of guns, including a new Glock.
> I own a 4X4 SUV and a big, loaded car.
> I am still planning on obtain either a Uro, or a BD.
> I have all the personal freedom I could ever want.
> Free to believe or not, and act on those beliefs or non-beliefs without
> serious government intervention.
> My tax rate is not THAT high.
> I am about to purchase a second house.
> I retire from the military in just over 2 years.
> The coffee is hot.
> The gin imported.
> And my olives are stuffed with garlic and jalepenos.
>
> It IS great to be an American.
>
> PS I am not making any of this up.

What happens when some prick comes up to you with a knife. What do you do, you
turn around a blow his head apart. That's the best option. Especially if he's
six feet away from you. You can't do that in this country, can you?

Exactly, I wouldn't whinge my head off if I were living in that great country
called America. No, I wouldn't be whinging. I'd have the freedom I want. My life
wouldn't be run by dumb shitheads who think they know better than me. Perhaps
it's about time I became a little more aggressive towards my government. And
perhaps, agressiveness and hostility is the only way to get anywhere these days,
especially in Australia, and quite possible, America as well.

That's one sad lesson in history that I had to learn. They reckon violence
doesn't solve anything. Quite possibly the opposite. How come then, are
Americans loaded with firearms? Could you answer that question. Just in case the
country wants to sit it's ass on you. Perhaps you could use a pin and jab it in
the bare behind.

I understand what I wrote.
You, obviously, had a point to make.
What was it?


Alecto <alecto@goulburn.net.au> wrote in message

>
> Bullshit.
>
> Hows about sticking to the one nick/mailhost! ,your shiting the people
> who run kill files to tears.
>
> Alecto

news:37EAD168.FEA32A93@goulburn.net.au...
> Bob Huey wrote:
> >
> > Man, you all.
> > Life IS good here.
> > I just got another snake.
> > I have lots of guns, including a new Glock.
> > I own a 4X4 SUV and a big, loaded car.
> > I am still planning on obtain either a Uro, or a BD.
> > I have all the personal freedom I could ever want.
> > Free to believe or not, and act on those beliefs or non-beliefs without
> > serious government intervention.
> > My tax rate is not THAT high.
> > I am about to purchase a second house.
> > I retire from the military in just over 2 years.
> > The coffee is hot.
> > The gin imported.
> > And my olives are stuffed with garlic and jalepenos.
> >
> > It IS great to be an American.
> >
> > PS I am not making any of this up.
>
> Bullshit.
>
> Hows about sticking to the one nick/mailhost! ,your shiting the people
> who run kill files to tears.
>
> Alecto

No I didn't.  I guess it'll take me some time to adjust to the aus.politics
'style' of discussion.

Anyway, you know what they say about sarcasm.  I Guess I'm above all that
:-p



Rod Speed <rod.speed@usa.net> wrote in message
news:7scst5$cr5$2@news1.mpx.com.au...
>
> The Full Monte <no@spam.no> wrote in message
> news:SglG3.19953$1E2.150144@ozemail.com.au...
>
> > Ummmm Excuse me for being blunt Reptile
> > Enthusio, but I don't think you have a clue.
>
> Ummmm Excuse me Full, I can call you Full ?
>
> I dont think you noticed the sarcasm that was dripping off Reptile's post.
>
>
>

Bob Huey wrote:
> 
> I understand what I wrote.
> You, obviously, had a point to make.
> What was it?
> 

My point was that 'you' ,and Mr Benjamin D ,are both the same person.

Alecto.

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:02:39 GMT, "Bob Huey" <bobhuey@home.com> wrote:

[...]
>Lastly, @home cable modem serve is not, I believe, one of the perc's of
>living in Australia.

	It is around, but fortunately not popular.  Neither is web tv,
which we also don't mind, because it keeps a percentage of ignorami
off the 'net.

>Whatever.
>My point was, America IS great.

	But some of the people can be a tad overbearing.

>Everything I wrote was true, right down to the olives.
>I know very little about Australia, having never visited it.
>It is, however, one of the Top Five places I desire to visit.
>BD, blessed with a seething mind, has way more in common with you -- then he
>shall ever have with American me.
>You guys are blokes (whatever the heck that means, but it sounds cool to
>type).
>I was born and raised in NY (and never visited the Statue of Liberty).
>Grew up drinking Heinekens and peppermint schnapps.
>Joined the Army. Lived in Germany.
>Moved to Phoenix. Loved it -- no mosquitoes!
>Recently moved to Colorado.
>Currently drinking either Bombay martinis, or a bottle of Avalanche (local)
>beer and shots of Jaegermeister.

	Spare us.  Stay home and drink.  ; )

	Cheers, Ana




Fight Internet Censorship!
http://netjunk.com/users/ananke

Ananke <Ananke@ihug.com.au> wrote in message
news:iEzsN5l8vGox+OVfwOYoI5Q=Rl+h@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:02:39 GMT, "Bob Huey" <bobhuey@home.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
> >Lastly, @home cable modem serve is not, I believe, one of the perc's of
> >living in Australia.
>
> It is around, but fortunately not popular.  Neither is web tv,
> which we also don't mind, because it keeps a percentage of ignorami
> off the 'net.

You really have nothing to say, do you.


> >Whatever.
> >My point was, America IS great.
>
> But some of the people can be a tad overbearing.

Viva the States.


>
> >Everything I wrote was true, right down to the olives.
> >I know very little about Australia, having never visited it.
> >It is, however, one of the Top Five places I desire to visit.
> >BD, blessed with a seething mind, has way more in common with you -- then
he
> >shall ever have with American me.
> >You guys are blokes (whatever the heck that means, but it sounds cool to
> >type).
> >I was born and raised in NY (and never visited the Statue of Liberty).
> >Grew up drinking Heinekens and peppermint schnapps.
> >Joined the Army. Lived in Germany.
> >Moved to Phoenix. Loved it -- no mosquitoes!
> >Recently moved to Colorado.
> >Currently drinking either Bombay martinis, or a bottle of Avalanche
(local)
> >beer and shots of Jaegermeister.
>
> Spare us.  Stay home and drink.  ; )
>
> Cheers, Ana

Where did you think I was typing this from? YOUR living room?

>
> Fight Internet Censorship!
> http://netjunk.com/users/ananke

so now this has turned into a pissing contest bob?

geee if i wanted to brag mate i coukd tell you i have been
running my own business by the time i was 23 and well on
track of owning what you have now + more  ( except the guns
,  have no need for them, and i can send my kids to school
in saftey)

what i just said was meaningless too you?.. well thats how
everyone would feel about your POSSESSIONS, who cares  this
is a herp discussion group  not a pissing contest

What i have lern from life bob, is i might be good.. but
there is always someone beter

Psyconutt

Do you mind if i bleed on your floor?




In article <4erG3.30$Ky2.32163@news1.rdc2.tx.home.com>,
"Bob Huey" <bobhuey@home.com> wrote:
> Man, you all.
> Life IS good here.
> I just got another snake.
> I have lots of guns, including a new Glock.
> I own a 4X4 SUV and a big, loaded car.
> I am still planning on obtain either a Uro, or a BD.
> I have all the personal freedom I could ever want.
> Free to believe or not, and act on those beliefs or
> non-beliefs without
> serious government intervention.
> My tax rate is not THAT high.
> I am about to purchase a second house.
> I retire from the military in just over 2 years.
> The coffee is hot.
> The gin imported.
> And my olives are stuffed with garlic and jalepenos.
> It IS great to be an American.
> PS I am not making any of this up.
> spie <spie@serverops.com> wrote in message
> news:37e9bc19@isupx1.isd.tafensw.edu.au...
> > leave us - u won`t be missed
> >
> > yea lets introduce as many exotic species as we can
> - that will be good
> for
> > local eco systems (and on your USA USA note
> (apolagies to amreicans) i`m
> > kinda glad cockroaches like u can NOT obtain firearms
> >
> > have a nice trip :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Benjamin Dowse <bendowse@hotmail.com> wrote in
> message
> > news:37E8EBBE.CB61EA93@usa.net...
> > > I am only after an opinion. You are not expected
> to read every single
> > > sentence in this post.
> > >
> > > Hello. My name is Benjamin. I've been talking with
> Jeff Hardy from NSW
> > > National Parks and Wildlife, Bill Atkinson from
> the NSW Department of
> > > Agriculture, and Eric Davis from NSW Agriculture.
> I've also talked to
> > > several people who own very good pet/plant stores
> who are willing to be
> > > accredited with proper organisations that protect
> both the pets and the
> > > owners.
> > >
> > > I've talked to Bob Withey and Stuart Barnes and
> they both agree with me
> > > that there is a very, and I mean VERY serious
> problem with Australian
> > > exotic reptile keeping laws - there is just
> absolutely NO legal solution
> > > to the problem, and as far as I'm concerned, the
> politicans could care
> > > less about the ROOT CAUSES OF SMUGGLING - they
> will never and I mean
> > > never, ever cut any ice with me!!! As I have said
> before if the laws
> > > don't change one of these days I will eventually
> go somewhere, because
> > > over the months I've got it all worked out that
> I've had it with this
> > > country and I have absolutely no way of escaping
> from this place of
> > > abhorrent socio-political lunacy (although I will
> admit Australia is a
> > > wonderful place to live in, we still use very
> pathetic and possessive
> > > laws. I think Australia still thinks it owns me.
> > >
> > > So, let me presume why Australia should be avoided
> at ANY COST for any
> > > reptile keeper from ANY OTHER part of the world.
> Let mother nature kill
> > > us instead by way of earthquake or global warming.
> Let the indonesians
> > > break our heads with a hail of bullets whilst we
> still know absolutely
> > > everything about absolutely nothing at all (or, we
> blindly try to) -
> > > except that the Australian politicians love to get
> that ego trip when
> > > they control what their private citizens are able
> to do. Just take a
> > > look at a few of our *VERY SERIOUS* political
> problems that we have in
> > > what is supposed to be a VERY SPECIAL PLACE - This
> land AUSTRALIA. And
> > > AUSTRALIA is heading for a bad, and I mean VERY
> bad turn. And you can
> > > thank all these dumb ignorant minority groups who
> seem to have all the
> > > power. It's a little like that pathetic social
> class rubbish that you
> > > always hear about all the time. And it's about
> time someone got off
> > > their lazy acre and did something about it before
> it is TOO LATE! Nearly
> > > all of America are so damn scared that they are
> going to turn into some
> > > over-regulated dump like Australia. So,
> Australians, just try and answer
> > > to that statement? Because you have some little
> minority serving groups
> > > who think they own this country. Well, I'll give
> you an honest and
> > > whole-hearted piece of my mind - they can...I'll
> mind the foul mouth for
> > > the sake of being polite (I have also sent
> courtesy copies to some other
> > > important people and I wish not to offend anyone).
> It's little wonder
> > > crime is getting worse everywhere, people are
> getting so damned sick of
> > > everything that is happening to them. You break a
> little, and then, you
> > > break a lot. And I'm talking about the sunburnt
> country, Australia, and
> > > not America. Civil liberties go DOWN, and, like it
> or loathe it, crime
> > > (especially murder and assault because about 50%
> of it is provoked
> > > although indirectly by high-class hippies to even
> begin with) goes UP.
> > >
> > > Just a few political problems: (a few, I mean,
> yeah sure?) And these are
> > > good enough reasons to NOT come and live in this
> country. Australia has
> > > records for violations of the well-known UN
> charter of HUMAN RIGHTS!
> > > Don't think so? Well, God help you...If you can't
> agree with voluntary
> > > voting then Australia will remain the same old
> country, it will go up
> > > and then it will go down, and then it will go OUT
> just like a
> > > light-globe. Tha'ts right, BANG!!! Only then, only
> then will Australia
> > > become a TRUE DEMOCRACY like the great country as
> we all know it, the
> > > great U.S. of A. Australia can only get worse
> before it can get any
> > > better. Or is it that it is already as worse as it
> can possibly get???
> > > Citizens in very large numbers have to spark an
> outrage before anything
> > > is done in Australia. The problem really is, you
> only need one single
> > > mistake and Australia turns you around and kicks
> your ...(I'll be polite
> > > here) for you. It's GROSSLY UNFAIR. Australia
> thinks it has the right to
> > > dictate to you when in light of Australia's
> nepotism and gang-fueled
> > > political system of government, it is in
> absolutely NO position to even
> > > dare, and I mean DARE, to dictate at all.
> > >
> > > Answer this for me. Who arranged for the Cane Toad
> (our WORST pest
> > > problem) to be brought into Australia? Was it the
> same people who now,
> > > despite the fact that it's too damned late, still
> dictate to us what we
> > > should keep as a personal pet. Was it the same
> people who still now,
> > > despite the fact that then, still think that they
> know everything? Is
> > > Australia really hopeless when it comes to
> trusting what it's citizens
> > > do. Perhaps Australia likes the idea of treating
> us like we're
> > > imbeciles, when you and I know that we are
> certainly the opposite - it's
> > > just that we have politicians who still live in
> the old days with those
> > > ideas.
> > >
> > > Australia is a dump for reptile keepers. And
> that's a statement that I
> > > simply refuse to take back in light of the great
> reptile laws in the
> > > U.S.A. and England (yeah, you heard it, England.
> Our mother country!!!).
> > > I wonder what the son of mother queen is up to
> now?!
> > >
> > > There are so many reasons why the U.S.A. whips the
> living daylights out
> > > of Australia, and these reasons are damned good
> reasons why. The USA is
> > > the goldmine country for civil liberties. The sad
> trouble is, America is
> > > on ONE end of the scale, whilst Austalia is on the
> OTHER. You want my
> > > personal opinion, NO COUNTRY IS PERFECT. But
> Australia sure as hell
> > > needs improvement, and LOTS of it at that.
> > >
> > > * Here in Australia, we are literally FORCED to
> vote. If NOT, we get
> > > FINED, and then we go to GAOL!!! !!! !!! !!! !!!
> > >
> > > * Here in Australia, you cannot carry personal
> firearms for your own
> > > protection. Can you count, I mean it, count, the
> number of incidents in
> > > the U.S.A. where firearms uses were only too
> neccessary (there was one
> > > incident caught on video, except that the clowns
> who run the Australian
> > > media dont want you to know!!! !!! !!!). I can
> PROVE, and I mean PROVE
> > > that the crime rate such as rape, assault, and
> murder have actually
> > > SLOWED DOWN, and I mean SLOWED DOWN HARD where
> firearms laws are
> > > liberalised. Take a look at states in the US that
> have now allowed
> > > people to carry concealed firearms. You see, if
> Australia didn't have a
> > > dictatorial control-freak view of politics, then
> this would be no issue,
> > > but, unfortunately, it is very, and I mean,
> SERIOUSLY wrong. I don't
> > > care if there are massacres at churches in Texas,
> or high school
> > > massacres in Colorado, or shoot-outs in New York
> City, or stock-market
> > > trading centre incidents in Georgia - these
> incidents are a few mental
> > > cases who obviously cant control their emotions. I
> don't give a damn.
> > > It's all to do with social problems!!! And the
> remedy principle =
> > > LIBERTY, LOVE, AND...JUSTICE! Do you think
> Australia cares about
> > > LIBERTY. Do you think it cares even about JUSTICE.
> That, I cannot
> > > answer, because America has it's problems as well.
> > >
> > > * Here in Australia, if you are assaulted, you
> have very little
> > > recourse, number 1 because you cannot protect
> yourself because of
> > > Australia's pathetic and ABSOLUTELY USELESS
> protection laws, and number
> > > 2 because our legal system is so badly screwed up
> - full of clowns who
> > > want to make some money - in other words, in plain
> english you
> > > practically must BEAT and/or KILL your attacker
> (attackers usually, if
> > > you're waking up to our gang problems!!!) with
> your BARE HANDS!!! Now if
> > > that is not a challenge???!!! And, if you have
> private health cover in
> > > the U.S.A. you are virtually guaranteed instant
> hospital care. In
> > > Australia, if you have private health cover (which
> as far as I'm
> > > concerned is just as, if not more, expensive than
> the U.S.A.) you are
> > > just simply not as lucky!!! Hospitals here in
> Australia are being abused
> > > at a rate of enormity. It is *disgusting* and it
> has to stop NOW!!!
> > > Let's implement more financial/income/means
> testing screening BEFORE we
> > > issue MEDICARE CARDS to ANYONE!!! The health-care
> system in Australia
> > > has been used and abused to the point where I
> personally could not get
> > > certain health care because the funding had been
> severely cut! WHY I ask
> > > myself??? The answer is there!
> > >
> > > * Here in Australia, you can get away with just
> about any form of
> > > political abuse. And we call this country a
> democracy. The first major,
> > > and I mean MAJOR political abuse, just like our
> mother, England, we are
> > > FORCED to vote. This is absolutely, and I mean
> UNACCEPTABLE and MUST
> > > CHANGE if there is to be ANY improvement in this
> country EVER.
> > >
> > > So, here are the THREE (3) REASONS WHY Australia
> is not good news for
> > > reptile keepers:
> > >
> > > Number One
> > >
> > > (1) Australia has always had a very random (by way
> of involuntary votes)
> > > or nepotism-based (you know, likes to suck up to
> his teddy bear friends)
> > > political system. It is run by small minority
> groups. Australia doesn't
> > > give a damn about environmental conservation. If
> Australia did, we'd see
> > > something happening about those repulsive cane
> toads, and we don't I'll
> > > have you know. But, due to the pathetic laws that
> rule this country, and
> > > special thanks to a pathetic red-tape situation we
> have here, NOTHING
> > > can be DONE about anything.
> > >
> > > Number Two
> > >
> > > (2) Australia thinks it knows better than it's
> citizens. One example of
> > > this is when I talked to someone in Agriculture
> they said there was a
> > > concern for public safety in the issue of exotic
> reptiles. NOW YOU AND I
> > > KNOW THAT IS UTTER NONSENSE!!! I could understand
> if they were referring
> > > to Cobras, Rattlesnakes, Mambas or Vipers. But I
> was talking about Corn
> > > Snakes and HARMLESS colubrids, and NOT POISONOUS
> animals like the native
> > > animals we have here in Australia which pose a
> much greater threat to
> > > public safety to everyone. So much for idiotic
> politicians with some
> > > wierd pathetic idea.
> > >
> > > Number Three
> > >
> > > (3) The major problem is ALL POLITICAL, and I
> MEAN, I MEAN, ALL
> > > POLITICAL. There is ABSOLUTELY NO conservative
> approach to Australia AT
> > > ALL. In fact, if you want my personal opinion,
> this country is running
> > > into serious problems with the Asians and the
> Indonesians. And I can
> > > personally guarantee that, within about 50-100
> years, Australia is down
> > > fever creek. Indonesians will hail us down with
> bullets, ahhh, sorry,
> > > NO, they'll just stick some sort of biological
> 'bomb' in Australia and
> > > silently wipe us out with some sort of man-made
> pathogen. AND ALONG with
> > > ALL of our native wildlife AS WELL.
> > >
> > > So, can you answer these two questions with
> HONESTY? and not just what
> > > you personally think, I want them aswered
> honestly...
> > >
> > > 1) Does Australia really care about it's native
> wildlife. Just look at
> > > the Cane Toad fiasco up in Queensland. Now, it's
> down in Sawtel and
> > > Urunga, and up in Coffs Harbour? Yeah right!
> Australia couldn't care
> > > less!
> > >
> > > 2) Do you HONESTLY think that by actively banning
> any legal way to
> > > obtain exotic reptiles is going to be an advantage
> to Australia? Yeah,
> > > I'm sure it will...NOT!!! Just take a look at the
> Corn Snakes in the
> > > Blue Mountains. These corn snakes were released by
> a person who was
> > > afraid he was about to be caught with exotic
> reptiles. Who is to blame?
> > > Special thanks to some lethargic and grossly
> ignorant politicians who
> > > don't have the time to come up with something
> decent. No, nothing decent
> > > has ever been mentioned yet. No wonder Australia
> is no good for
> > > anything. The real trouble is, politicians are
> both paranoid and
> > > ignorant. Gee whez, damn, that is a REALLY BAD
> combination, isn't it?
> > > Don't blame the corn-snake owner, blame the
> overbearing Australian
> > > government, and their minorities organisations at
> that. What idiot would
> > > worry about milk snakes in Australia? There is
> PROOF and I mean PROOF in
> > > that a lot of exotic reptiles would NEVER be able
> to establish
> > > themselves in Australia because of it's very
> brutal conditions.
> > >
> > > Benjamin.
> > > (I am getting a children's python at the end of
> the year when they
> > > breed! They are pretty little pythons!)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >



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Im sure the people in hay Australia would be offended by
that, Just because one person is a little miss guided
doesnt mean you have to generalise us Australians

and what makes you think we want to live there?


Psyconutt

Do you mind if i bleed on your floor?


In article <37E9F0B8.F962F78E@goulburn.net.au>, Alecto
<alecto@goulburn.net.au> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
> >
> > Benjamin Dowse <bendowse@hotmail.com> wrote
> > in message news:37E8EBBE.CB61EA93@usa.net...
> >
> > > I am only after an opinion.
> >
> > Great, my opinion is that you are just another yank
> etc we
> > can well do without. You dont approve of how we do
> things
> > here ?  Who cares, you're free to leave any time you
> like.
> >
> I think we established the fact some time ago that
> he's from Hay
> ,Australia  ,America is where he thinks he'd like to
> be.
> Alecto



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You know why Americans own guns ben?

I have been lurking in alt.talk.politics.guns for 1 yr now 
and the main arguement  for owning guns are as follows

1 So i can defend myself against my Governent

2 My second amendment right alows me to carry a weapon


now your second amendment has way to many holes in it ( not
bullet holes btw) and is way outdated

#1 example shows in this news group very often ,  as people
seam paranoid about animal import restrictions hence the
government trying to "attack them "

Now let me ask this question You Americans ( without the
need to flame)  If you were alowed to lift all bans on
exotic animals would you do so for your own personal gain
or  would you keep them in place for the good of your
enviroment?

i already know what the answer is  just need you to confirm
it for me

Psyconutt

Do you mind if i bleed on your floor?



In article <37EADE3C.DE8FC571@hotmail.com>, "Benjamin D."
<bendowse@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Man, you all.
> > Life IS good here.
> > I just got another snake.
> > I have lots of guns, including a new Glock.
> > I own a 4X4 SUV and a big, loaded car.
> > I am still planning on obtain either a Uro, or a BD.
> > I have all the personal freedom I could ever want.
> > Free to believe or not, and act on those beliefs or
> non-beliefs without
> > serious government intervention.
> > My tax rate is not THAT high.
> > I am about to purchase a second house.
> > I retire from the military in just over 2 years.
> > The coffee is hot.
> > The gin imported.
> > And my olives are stuffed with garlic and jalepenos.
> >
> > It IS great to be an American.
> >
> > PS I am not making any of this up.
> What happens when some prick comes up to you with a
> knife. What do you do, you
> turn around a blow his head apart. That's the best
> option. Especially if he's
> six feet away from you. You can't do that in this
> country, can you?
> Exactly, I wouldn't whinge my head off if I were
> living in that great country
> called America. No, I wouldn't be whinging. I'd have
> the freedom I want. My life
> wouldn't be run by dumb shitheads who think they know
> better than me. Perhaps
> it's about time I became a little more aggressive
> towards my government. And
> perhaps, agressiveness and hostility is the only way
> to get anywhere these days,
> especially in Australia, and quite possible, America
> as well.
> That's one sad lesson in history that I had to learn.
> They reckon violence
> doesn't solve anything. Quite possibly the opposite.
> How come then, are
> Americans loaded with firearms? Could you answer that
> question. Just in case the
> country wants to sit it's ass on you. Perhaps you
> could use a pin and jab it in
> the bare behind.



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yet another pissing contest?


Psyconutt
Do you mind if i bleed on your floor?



In article <joMG3.894$Ky2.213418@news1.rdc2.tx.home.com>,
"Bob Huey" <bobhuey@home.com> wrote:
> Hahaha. Sure.
> I am also Jesus Christ.
> I am also blue and 2.5 feet tall.
> Re-read my post and word-count the expletives.
> Though I hold my spelling suspect, grammatically
> compare my syntax to BD's.
> Yada, yada, yada.
> Lastly, @home cable modem serve is not, I believe, one
> of the perc's of
> living in Australia.
> Whatever.
> My point was, America IS great.
> Everything I wrote was true, right down to the olives.
> I know very little about Australia, having never
> visited it.
> It is, however, one of the Top Five places I desire to
> visit.
> BD, blessed with a seething mind, has way more in
> common with you -- then he
> shall ever have with American me.
> You guys are blokes (whatever the heck that means, but
> it sounds cool to
> type).
> I was born and raised in NY (and never visited the
> Statue of Liberty).
> Grew up drinking Heinekens and peppermint schnapps.
> Joined the Army. Lived in Germany.
> Moved to Phoenix. Loved it -- no mosquitoes!
> Recently moved to Colorado.
> Currently drinking either Bombay martinis, or a bottle
> of Avalanche (local)
> beer and shots of Jaegermeister.
> I run a medical recruiting team that covers most of
> the Western United
> States, with the exception of the West coast.
> I own a house in Chandler, Arizona.
> I rent one here, but am scheduled to put my earnest
> money down Saturday with
> Engel Homes in Aurora.
> Do you have any idea what houses cost here in the
> Denver area?
> A 2,400 sq. foot home is going to run me US$265,000.
> Ouch.
> Lets see. I own a Mazda Navajo 4x4, with custom plates
> that read: GoArmy
> I own a Mercury Marquee (hey, don't know how to spell
> that....), loaded, all
> leather and performance package.
> I have five tattoos, three of which are quite large.
> I have a dog, a cat, 2 corns, a royal, an African
> Housesnake, and a dusty
> hognose (!!!) -- oh, and a wife and two great kids.
> (Is BD even married?)
> Get the point.
> Not once, in this post, did I refer to a woman's
> vagina.
> So, "mate," looks like your accusation is incorrect.
> bobhuey@home.com
> Alecto <alecto@goulburn.net.au> wrote in message
> news:37EB4DFA.1038FC78@goulburn.net.au...
> > Bob Huey wrote:
> > >
> > > I understand what I wrote.
> > > You, obviously, had a point to make.
> > > What was it?
> > >
> >
> > My point was that 'you' ,and Mr Benjamin D ,are both
> the same person.
> >
> > Alecto.



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Psyconutt@mindless.com <psyconuttNOpsSPAM@mindless.com.invalid> wrote in
message news:08b3ac62.7a14d8b9@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com...
> so now this has turned into a pissing contest bob?
>
> geee if i wanted to brag mate i coukd tell you i have been
> running my own business by the time i was 23 and well on
> track of owning what you have now + more  ( except the guns
> ,  have no need for them, and i can send my kids to school
> in saftey)
>
> what i just said was meaningless too you?.. well thats how
> everyone would feel about your POSSESSIONS, who cares  this
> is a herp discussion group  not a pissing contest
>
> What i have lern from life bob, is i might be good.. but
> there is always someone beter
>
> Psyconutt
>
> Do you mind if i bleed on your floor?

Please, you are bleeding quite well here.
What's with you guys?
Cursing, pissing, bleeding.

BTW, the intent of my post,
based on the previous lamenting Australian post,
was to compliment the silliness of BD.
That's all.
Of course it was a stupid post.
It was meant to be.
The whole thread is stupid.
IMHO.
Now, what was truely funny was
your taking affront to my achievments/events.
It was not meant to challenge you.
Oh, I get it....you are just perpetuating the whole stupidness of the
thread.
Got it now.
WTG mate.

/s/
Bobhuey@home.com



>
>
>
>
> In article <4erG3.30$Ky2.32163@news1.rdc2.tx.home.com>,
> "Bob Huey" <bobhuey@home.com> wrote:
> > Man, you all.
> > Life IS good here.
> > I just got another snake.
> > I have lots of guns, including a new Glock.
> > I own a 4X4 SUV and a big, loaded car.
> > I am still planning on obtain either a Uro, or a BD.
> > I have all the personal freedom I could ever want.
> > Free to believe or not, and act on those beliefs or
> > non-beliefs without
> > serious government intervention.
> > My tax rate is not THAT high.
> > I am about to purchase a second house.
> > I retire from the military in just over 2 years.
> > The coffee is hot.
> > The gin imported.
> > And my olives are stuffed with garlic and jalepenos.
> > It IS great to be an American.
> > PS I am not making any of this up.
> > spie <spie@serverops.com> wrote in message
> > news:37e9bc19@isupx1.isd.tafensw.edu.au...
> > > leave us - u won`t be missed
> > >
> > > yea lets introduce as many exotic species as we can
> > - that will be good
> > for
> > > local eco systems (and on your USA USA note
> > (apolagies to amreicans) i`m
> > > kinda glad cockroaches like u can NOT obtain firearms
> > >
> > > have a nice trip :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Benjamin Dowse <bendowse@hotmail.com> wrote in
> > message
> > > news:37E8EBBE.CB61EA93@usa.net...
> > > > I am only after an opinion. You are not expected
> > to read every single
> > > > sentence in this post.
> > > >
> > > > Hello. My name is Benjamin. I've been talking with
> > Jeff Hardy from NSW
> > > > National Parks and Wildlife, Bill Atkinson from
> > the NSW Department of
> > > > Agriculture, and Eric Davis from NSW Agriculture.
> > I've also talked to
> > > > several people who own very good pet/plant stores
> > who are willing to be
> > > > accredited with proper organisations that protect
> > both the pets and the
> > > > owners.
> > > >
> > > > I've talked to Bob Withey and Stuart Barnes and
> > they both agree with me
> > > > that there is a very, and I mean VERY serious
> > problem with Australian
> > > > exotic reptile keeping laws - there is just
> > absolutely NO legal solution
> > > > to the problem, and as far as I'm concerned, the
> > politicans could care
> > > > less about the ROOT CAUSES OF SMUGGLING - they
> > will never and I mean
> > > > never, ever cut any ice with me!!! As I have said
> > before if the laws
> > > > don't change one of these days I will eventually
> > go somewhere, because
> > > > over the months I've got it all worked out that
> > I've had it with this
> > > > country and I have absolutely no way of escaping
> > from this place of
> > > > abhorrent socio-political lunacy (although I will
> > admit Australia is a
> > > > wonderful place to live in, we still use very
> > pathetic and possessive
> > > > laws. I think Australia still thinks it owns me.
> > > >
> > > > So, let me presume why Australia should be avoided
> > at ANY COST for any
> > > > reptile keeper from ANY OTHER part of the world.
> > Let mother nature kill
> > > > us instead by way of earthquake or global warming.
> > Let the indonesians
> > > > break our heads with a hail of bullets whilst we
> > still know absolutely
> > > > everything about absolutely nothing at all (or, we
> > blindly try to) -
> > > > except that the Australian politicians love to get
> > that ego trip when
> > > > they control what their private citizens are able
> > to do. Just take a
> > > > look at a few of our *VERY SERIOUS* political
> > problems that we have in
> > > > what is supposed to be a VERY SPECIAL PLACE - This
> > land AUSTRALIA. And
> > > > AUSTRALIA is heading for a bad, and I mean VERY
> > bad turn. And you can
> > > > thank all these dumb ignorant minority groups who
> > seem to have all the
> > > > power. It's a little like that pathetic social
> > class rubbish that you
> > > > always hear about all the time. And it's about
> > time someone got off
> > > > their lazy acre and did something about it before
> > it is TOO LATE! Nearly
> > > > all of America are so damn scared that they are
> > going to turn into some
> > > > over-regulated dump like Australia. So,
> > Australians, just try and answer
> > > > to that statement? Because you have some little
> > minority serving groups
> > > > who think they own this country. Well, I'll give
> > you an honest and
> > > > whole-hearted piece of my mind - they can...I'll
> > mind the foul mouth for
> > > > the sake of being polite (I have also sent
> > courtesy copies to some other
> > > > important people and I wish not to offend anyone).
> > It's little wonder
> > > > crime is getting worse everywhere, people are
> > getting so damned sick of
> > > > everything that is happening to them. You break a
> > little, and then, you
> > > > break a lot. And I'm talking about the sunburnt
> > country, Australia, and
> > > > not America. Civil liberties go DOWN, and, like it
> > or loathe it, crime
> > > > (especially murder and assault because about 50%
> > of it is provoked
> > > > although indirectly by high-class hippies to even
> > begin with) goes UP.
> > > >
> > > > Just a few political problems: (a few, I mean,
> > yeah sure?) And these are
> > > > good enough reasons to NOT come and live in this
> > country. Australia has
> > > > records for violations of the well-known UN
> > charter of HUMAN RIGHTS!
> > > > Don't think so? Well, God help you...If you can't
> > agree with voluntary
> > > > voting then Australia will remain the same old
> > country, it will go up
> > > > and then it will go down, and then it will go OUT
> > just like a
> > > > light-globe. Tha'ts right, BANG!!! Only then, only
> > then will Australia
> > > > become a TRUE DEMOCRACY like the great country as
> > we all know it, the
> > > > great U.S. of A. Australia can only get worse
> > before it can get any
> > > > better. Or is it that it is already as worse as it
> > can possibly get???
> > > > Citizens in very large numbers have to spark an
> > outrage before anything
> > > > is done in Australia. The problem really is, you
> > only need one single
> > > > mistake and Australia turns you around and kicks
> > your ...(I'll be polite
> > > > here) for you. It's GROSSLY UNFAIR. Australia
> > thinks it has the right to
> > > > dictate to you when in light of Australia's
> > nepotism and gang-fueled
> > > > political system of government, it is in
> > absolutely NO position to even
> > > > dare, and I mean DARE, to dictate at all.
> > > >
> > > > Answer this for me. Who arranged for the Cane Toad
> > (our WORST pest
> > > > problem) to be brought into Australia? Was it the
> > same people who now,
> > > > despite the fact that it's too damned late, still
> > dictate to us what we
> > > > should keep as a personal pet. Was it the same
> > people who still now,
> > > > despite the fact that then, still think that they
> > know everything? Is
> > > > Australia really hopeless when it comes to
> > trusting what it's citizens
> > > > do. Perhaps Australia likes the idea of treating
> > us like we're
> > > > imbeciles, when you and I know that we are
> > certainly the opposite - it's
> > > > just that we have politicians who still live in
> > the old days with those
> > > > ideas.
> > > >
> > > > Australia is a dump for reptile keepers. And
> > that's a statement that I
> > > > simply refuse to take back in light of the great
> > reptile laws in the
> > > > U.S.A. and England (yeah, you heard it, England.
> > Our mother country!!!).
> > > > I wonder what the son of mother queen is up to
> > now?!
> > > >
> > > > There are so many reasons why the U.S.A. whips the
> > living daylights out
> > > > of Australia, and these reasons are damned good
> > reasons why. The USA is
> > > > the goldmine country for civil liberties. The sad
> > trouble is, America is
> > > > on ONE end of the scale, whilst Austalia is on the
> > OTHER. You want my
> > > > personal opinion, NO COUNTRY IS PERFECT. But
> > Australia sure as hell
> > > > needs improvement, and LOTS of it at that.
> > > >
> > > > * Here in Australia, we are literally FORCED to
> > vote. If NOT, we get
> > > > FINED, and then we go to GAOL!!! !!! !!! !!! !!!
> > > >
> > > > * Here in Australia, you cannot carry personal
> > firearms for your own
> > > > protection. Can you count, I mean it, count, the
> > number of incidents in
> > > > the U.S.A. where firearms uses were only too
> > neccessary (there was one
> > > > incident caught on video, except that the clowns
> > who run the Australian
> > > > media dont want you to know!!! !!! !!!). I can
> > PROVE, and I mean PROVE
> > > > that the crime rate such as rape, assault, and
> > murder have actually
> > > > SLOWED DOWN, and I mean SLOWED DOWN HARD where
> > firearms laws are
> > > > liberalised. Take a look at states in the US that
> > have now allowed
> > > > people to carry concealed firearms. You see, if
> > Australia didn't have a
> > > > dictatorial control-freak view of politics, then
> > this would be no issue,
> > > > but, unfortunately, it is very, and I mean,
> > SERIOUSLY wrong. I don't
> > > > care if there are massacres at churches in Texas,
> > or high school
> > > > massacres in Colorado, or shoot-outs in New York
> > City, or stock-market
> > > > trading centre incidents in Georgia - these
> > incidents are a few mental
> > > > cases who obviously cant control their emotions. I
> > don't give a damn.
> > > > It's all to do with social problems!!! And the
> > remedy principle =
> > > > LIBERTY, LOVE, AND...JUSTICE! Do you think
> > Australia cares about
> > > > LIBERTY. Do you think it cares even about JUSTICE.
> > That, I cannot
> > > > answer, because America has it's problems as well.
> > > >
> > > > * Here in Australia, if you are assaulted, you
> > have very little
> > > > recourse, number 1 because you cannot protect
> > yourself because of
> > > > Australia's pathetic and ABSOLUTELY USELESS
> > protection laws, and number
> > > > 2 because our legal system is so badly screwed up
> > - full of clowns who
> > > > want to make some money - in other words, in plain
> > english you
> > > > practically must BEAT and/or KILL your attacker
> > (attackers usually, if
> > > > you're waking up to our gang problems!!!) with
> > your BARE HANDS!!! Now if
> > > > that is not a challenge???!!! And, if you have
> > private health cover in
> > > > the U.S.A. you are virtually guaranteed instant
> > hospital care. In
> > > > Australia, if you have private health cover (which
> > as far as I'm
> > > > concerned is just as, if not more, expensive than
> > the U.S.A.) you are
> > > > just simply not as lucky!!! Hospitals here in
> > Australia are being abused
> > > > at a rate of enormity. It is *disgusting* and it
> > has to stop NOW!!!
> > > > Let's implement more financial/income/means
> > testing screening BEFORE we
> > > > issue MEDICARE CARDS to ANYONE!!! The health-care
> > system in Australia
> > > > has been used and abused to the point where I
> > personally could not get
> > > > certain health care because the funding had been
> > severely cut! WHY I ask
> > > > myself??? The answer is there!
> > > >
> > > > * Here in Australia, you can get away with just
> > about any form of
> > > > political abuse. And we call this country a
> > democracy. The first major,
> > > > and I mean MAJOR political abuse, just like our
> > mother, England, we are
> > > > FORCED to vote. This is absolutely, and I mean
> > UNACCEPTABLE and MUST
> > > > CHANGE if there is to be ANY improvement in this
> > country EVER.
> > > >
> > > > So, here are the THREE (3) REASONS WHY Australia
> > is not good news for
> > > > reptile keepers:
> > > >
> > > > Number One
> > > >
> > > > (1) Australia has always had a very random (by way
> > of involuntary votes)
> > > > or nepotism-based (you know, likes to suck up to
> > his teddy bear friends)
> > > > political system. It is run by small minority
> > groups. Australia doesn't
> > > > give a damn about environmental conservation. If
> > Australia did, we'd see
> > > > something happening about those repulsive cane
> > toads, and we don't I'll
> > > > have you know. But, due to the pathetic laws that
> > rule this country, and
> > > > special thanks to a pathetic red-tape situation we
> > have here, NOTHING
> > > > can be DONE about anything.
> > > >
> > > > Number Two
> > > >
> > > > (2) Australia thinks it knows better than it's
> > citizens. One example of
> > > > this is when I talked to someone in Agriculture
> > they said there was a
> > > > concern for public safety in the issue of exotic
> > reptiles. NOW YOU AND I
> > > > KNOW THAT IS UTTER NONSENSE!!! I could understand
> > if they were referring
> > > > to Cobras, Rattlesnakes, Mambas or Vipers. But I
> > was talking about Corn
> > > > Snakes and HARMLESS colubrids, and NOT POISONOUS
> > animals like the native
> > > > animals we have here in Australia which pose a
> > much greater threat to
> > > > public safety to everyone. So much for idiotic
> > politicians with some
> > > > wierd pathetic idea.
> > > >
> > > > Number Three
> > > >
> > > > (3) The major problem is ALL POLITICAL, and I
> > MEAN, I MEAN, ALL
> > > > POLITICAL. There is ABSOLUTELY NO conservative
> > approach to Australia AT
> > > > ALL. In fact, if you want my personal opinion,
> > this country is running
> > > > into serious problems with the Asians and the
> > Indonesians. And I can
> > > > personally guarantee that, within about 50-100
> > years, Australia is down
> > > > fever creek. Indonesians will hail us down with
> > bullets, ahhh, sorry,
> > > > NO, they'll just stick some sort of biological
> > 'bomb' in Australia and
> > > > silently wipe us out with some sort of man-made
> > pathogen. AND ALONG with
> > > > ALL of our native wildlife AS WELL.
> > > >
> > > > So, can you answer these two questions with
> > HONESTY? and not just what
> > > > you personally think, I want them aswered
> > honestly...
> > > >
> > > > 1) Does Australia really care about it's native
> > wildlife. Just look at
> > > > the Cane Toad fiasco up in Queensland. Now, it's
> > down in Sawtel and
> > > > Urunga, and up in Coffs Harbour? Yeah right!
> > Australia couldn't care
> > > > less!
> > > >
> > > > 2) Do you HONESTLY think that by actively banning
> > any legal way to
> > > > obtain exotic reptiles is going to be an advantage
> > to Australia? Yeah,
> > > > I'm sure it will...NOT!!! Just take a look at the
> > Corn Snakes in the
> > > > Blue Mountains. These corn snakes were released by
> > a person who was
> > > > afraid he was about to be caught with exotic
> > reptiles. Who is to blame?
> > > > Special thanks to some lethargic and grossly
> > ignorant politicians who
> > > > don't have the time to come up with something
> > decent. No, nothing decent
> > > > has ever been mentioned yet. No wonder Australia
> > is no good for
> > > > anything. The real trouble is, politicians are
> > both paranoid and
> > > > ignorant. Gee whez, damn, that is a REALLY BAD
> > combination, isn't it?
> > > > Don't blame the corn-snake owner, blame the
> > overbearing Australian
> > > > government, and their minorities organisations at
> > that. What idiot would
> > > > worry about milk snakes in Australia? There is
> > PROOF and I mean PROOF in
> > > > that a lot of exotic reptiles would NEVER be able
> > to establish
> > > > themselves in Australia because of it's very
> > brutal conditions.
> > > >
> > > > Benjamin.
> > > > (I am getting a children's python at the end of
> > the year when they
> > > > breed! They are pretty little pythons!)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
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Check this out.
Would it not be better for the environment,
for every snake in the wild,
if Mankind no longer existed on this Earth?

So, in life, in our pursuit of happiness,
in the preservation of nature --
nothing, hardly, is ever completely black and white.

With freedom comes responsibility.
Want to be completely safe?
Surrender your personal freedom.
What the earth's survival to be guaranteed?
Eradicate man.

I think, in the US, there is a nice balance with restrictions versus that
which is allowed.

And, since you already know the answer to your question below, might I
inquire how you came to the conclusion with your dogmatic, baited question,
that ALL Americans would answer the same?

Would all in the land of Oz come to such a similar, one-sided, conclusion
too?


Psyconutt@mindless.com <psyconuttNOpsSPAM@mindless.com.invalid> wrote in
message news:08f6992b.7cba8f5f@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com...
> You know why Americans own guns ben?
>
> I have been lurking in alt.talk.politics.guns for 1 yr now
> and the main arguement  for owning guns are as follows
>
> 1 So i can defend myself against my Governent
>
> 2 My second amendment right alows me to carry a weapon
>
>
> now your second amendment has way to many holes in it ( not
> bullet holes btw) and is way outdated
>
> #1 example shows in this news group very often ,  as people
> seam paranoid about animal import restrictions hence the
> government trying to "attack them "
>
> Now let me ask this question You Americans ( without the
> need to flame)  If you were alowed to lift all bans on
> exotic animals would you do so for your own personal gain
> or  would you keep them in place for the good of your
> enviroment?
>
> i already know what the answer is  just need you to confirm
> it for me
>
> Psyconutt
>
> Do you mind if i bleed on your floor?
>
>
>
> In article <37EADE3C.DE8FC571@hotmail.com>, "Benjamin D."
> <bendowse@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Man, you all.
> > > Life IS good here.
> > > I just got another snake.
> > > I have lots of guns, including a new Glock.
> > > I own a 4X4 SUV and a big, loaded car.
> > > I am still planning on obtain either a Uro, or a BD.
> > > I have all the personal freedom I could ever want.
> > > Free to believe or not, and act on those beliefs or
> > non-beliefs without
> > > serious government intervention.
> > > My tax rate is not THAT high.
> > > I am about to purchase a second house.
> > > I retire from the military in just over 2 years.
> > > The coffee is hot.
> > > The gin imported.
> > > And my olives are stuffed with garlic and jalepenos.
> > >
> > > It IS great to be an American.
> > >
> > > PS I am not making any of this up.
> > What happens when some prick comes up to you with a
> > knife. What do you do, you
> > turn around a blow his head apart. That's the best
> > option. Especially if he's
> > six feet away from you. You can't do that in this
> > country, can you?
> > Exactly, I wouldn't whinge my head off if I were
> > living in that great country
> > called America. No, I wouldn't be whinging. I'd have
> > the freedom I want. My life
> > wouldn't be run by dumb shitheads who think they know
> > better than me. Perhaps
> > it's about time I became a little more aggressive
> > towards my government. And
> > perhaps, agressiveness and hostility is the only way
> > to get anywhere these days,
> > especially in Australia, and quite possible, America
> > as well.
> > That's one sad lesson in history that I had to learn.
> > They reckon violence
> > doesn't solve anything. Quite possibly the opposite.
> > How come then, are
> > Americans loaded with firearms? Could you answer that
> > question. Just in case the
> > country wants to sit it's ass on you. Perhaps you
> > could use a pin and jab it in
> > the bare behind.
>
>
>
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I don't mind explaining every post for you.
I was accused of being BD.
I typed a whole page without resorting to using one of the graphic curse
words BD is so want to type.
My point was, BD would have HAD to have typed an expletive.
Since I did not, I am not him.

Perhaps the term "pissing contest" is some colloquial Oz vernacular.
I fail to see how why you are using it to describe my posts.


Psyconutt@mindless.com <psyconuttNOpsSPAM@mindless.com.invalid> wrote in
message news:2103e026.7cfb37ec@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com...
> yet another pissing contest?
>
>
> Psyconutt
> Do you mind if i bleed on your floor?
>
>
>
> In article <joMG3.894$Ky2.213418@news1.rdc2.tx.home.com>,
> "Bob Huey" <bobhuey@home.com> wrote:
> > Hahaha. Sure.
> > I am also Jesus Christ.
> > I am also blue and 2.5 feet tall.
> > Re-read my post and word-count the expletives.
> > Though I hold my spelling suspect, grammatically
> > compare my syntax to BD's.
> > Yada, yada, yada.
> > Lastly, @home cable modem serve is not, I believe, one
> > of the perc's of
> > living in Australia.
> > Whatever.
> > My point was, America IS great.
> > Everything I wrote was true, right down to the olives.
> > I know very little about Australia, having never
> > visited it.
> > It is, however, one of the Top Five places I desire to
> > visit.
> > BD, blessed with a seething mind, has way more in
> > common with you -- then he
> > shall ever have with American me.
> > You guys are blokes (whatever the heck that means, but
> > it sounds cool to
> > type).
> > I was born and raised in NY (and never visited the
> > Statue of Liberty).
> > Grew up drinking Heinekens and peppermint schnapps.
> > Joined the Army. Lived in Germany.
> > Moved to Phoenix. Loved it -- no mosquitoes!
> > Recently moved to Colorado.
> > Currently drinking either Bombay martinis, or a bottle
> > of Avalanche (local)
> > beer and shots of Jaegermeister.
> > I run a medical recruiting team that covers most of
> > the Western United
> > States, with the exception of the West coast.
> > I own a house in Chandler, Arizona.
> > I rent one here, but am scheduled to put my earnest
> > money down Saturday with
> > Engel Homes in Aurora.
> > Do you have any idea what houses cost here in the
> > Denver area?
> > A 2,400 sq. foot home is going to run me US$265,000.
> > Ouch.
> > Lets see. I own a Mazda Navajo 4x4, with custom plates
> > that read: GoArmy
> > I own a Mercury Marquee (hey, don't know how to spell
> > that....), loaded, all
> > leather and performance package.
> > I have five tattoos, three of which are quite large.
> > I have a dog, a cat, 2 corns, a royal, an African
> > Housesnake, and a dusty
> > hognose (!!!) -- oh, and a wife and two great kids.
> > (Is BD even married?)
> > Get the point.
> > Not once, in this post, did I refer to a woman's
> > vagina.
> > So, "mate," looks like your accusation is incorrect.
> > bobhuey@home.com
> > Alecto <alecto@goulburn.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:37EB4DFA.1038FC78@goulburn.net.au...
> > > Bob Huey wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I understand what I wrote.
> > > > You, obviously, had a point to make.
> > > > What was it?
> > > >
> > >
> > > My point was that 'you' ,and Mr Benjamin D ,are both
> > the same person.
> > >
> > > Alecto.
>
>
>
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Bob Huey wrote:
> 
> Check this out.
> Would it not be better for the environment,
> for every snake in the wild,
> if Mankind no longer existed on this Earth?

There's no doubt about it Ben ,you've got snakes on the brain.

Alecto.

Alecto <alecto@goulburn.net.au> wrote in message news:37ED8BAE.FBDDA0D8@goulburn.net.au...
> Bob Huey wrote

>> Check this out.
>> Would it not be better for the environment,
>> for every snake in the wild,
>> if Mankind no longer existed on this Earth?

> There's no doubt about it Ben ,you've got snakes on the brain.

You sure he actually has a brain ?  No evidence of it.

Bob Huey wrote:
> 
> I don't mind explaining every post for you.
> I was accused of being BD.

And convicted.

> I typed a whole page without resorting to using one of the graphic curse
> words BD is so want to type.

Such restraint.

> My point was, BD would have HAD to have typed an expletive.
> Since I did not, I am not him.

Trouble is ,unlike yourself ,we didn't all come down in the last shower.

> 
> Perhaps the term "pissing contest" is some colloquial Oz vernacular.
> I fail to see how why you are using it to describe my posts.

That won't work either.

> > In article <joMG3.894$Ky2.213418@news1.rdc2.tx.home.com>,
> > "Bob Huey" <bobhuey@home.com> wrote:
> > > Hahaha. Sure.

> > > I am also Jesus Christ.

Now we're getting somewhere.

> > > I am also blue and 2.5 feet tall.

From holding your breath too much during your childhood perhaps.

> > > Re-read my post and word-count the expletives.
> > > Though I hold my spelling suspect, grammatically
> > > compare my syntax to BD's.

But your 'style' shines through.

> > > Yada, yada, yada.

see what I mean.

> > > Lastly, @home cable modem serve is not, I believe, one
> > > of the perc's of
> > > living in Australia.

Anyone can get an account there ,you'll have to do better than that.


sniped - heaps more stuff begging for critique ,but I just haven't got
the time.




> > > bobhuey@home.com
> > > Alecto <alecto@goulburn.net.au> wrote in message
> > > news:37EB4DFA.1038FC78@goulburn.net.au...
> > > > Bob Huey wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I understand what I wrote.
> > > > > You, obviously, had a point to make.
> > > > > What was it?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > My point was that 'you' ,and Mr Benjamin D ,are both
> > > the same person.
> > > >
> > > > Alecto.

Alecto.

"Psyconutt@mindless.com" wrote:
> 
> You know why Americans own guns ben?

There you go ,talking to your self again.

> 
> I have been lurking in alt.talk.politics.guns for 1 yr now
> and the main arguement  for owning guns are as follows
> 
> 1 So i can defend myself against my Governent
> 
> 2 My second amendment right alows me to carry a weapon
> 
> now your second amendment has way to many holes in it ( not
> bullet holes btw) and is way outdated
> 
> #1 example shows in this news group very often ,  as people
> seam paranoid about animal import restrictions hence the
> government trying to "attack them "
> 
> Now let me ask this question You Americans ( without the
> need to flame)  

Flame away Yanks ,but take him with you when you've finished (please!).

> If you were alowed to lift all bans on
> exotic animals would you do so for your own personal gain
> or  would you keep them in place for the good of your
> enviroment?

Every little breeze seems to whisper Louise.

> 
> i already know what the answer is  just need you to confirm
> it for me

We thought you might.

Alecto.

Rod Speed wrote:
> 
> Alecto <alecto@goulburn.net.au> wrote in message news:37ED8BAE.FBDDA0D8@goulburn.net.au...
> > Bob Huey wrote
> 
> >> Check this out.
> >> Would it not be better for the environment,
> >> for every snake in the wild,
> >> if Mankind no longer existed on this Earth?
> 
> > There's no doubt about it Ben ,you've got snakes on the brain.
> 
> You sure he actually has a brain ?  No evidence of it.

That's a good point.

Alecto.

"Psyconutt@mindless.com" wrote:
> 
> so now this has turned into a pissing contest bob?
> 
Yep ,and you've forgotten to open your fly.

> geee if i wanted to brag mate i coukd tell you i have been
> running my own business by the time i was 23 and well on
> track of owning what you have now + more  ( except the guns
> ,  have no need for them, and i can send my kids to school
> in saftey)

Methinks that bullshit has lost something in the 'translation'.

> 
> what i just said was meaningless too you?..

See ,you don't understand it either.

> well thats how
> everyone would feel about your POSSESSIONS, who cares  this
> is a herp discussion group  not a pissing contest

Yep ,it's a bit one sided for a pissing contest.

> 
> What i have lern from life bob, is i might be good.. but
> there is always someone beter

You said it.


Alecto.

ROTFL - Hey Bob - if you ever do come to Oz - you can stay at my place !

--
Regards,

Simon Voorwinde
=============================================
The Cichlid Tank
svavev@hunterlink.net.au
http://thecichlidtank.cjb.net
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I have been snowed under at work for the past 2 weeks and have not be
reading newsgroups, our server only keeps 3 days worth also.

Does someone have messages from the start of this thread that they could
forward me? I was wondering what started it off.

Being an Aussie, I thought there may be some relevant, interesting info?

Thanks in advance.

Michael
mailto:mcurry@medisoft.com.au



Psyconutt@mindless.com <psyconuttNOpsSPAM@mindless.com.invalid> wrote in
message news:04683270.d68ba410@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com...
> gee alecto  your replies were one of an uneducated
> individual
>
> if yu have somehtin to say.. say it, dont just spout a few
> words and leave it as that,  your comments have no basis
> except for personal feelings not global feelings and stated
> points
>
>
> Psyconutt
>
> Mind if i bleed on your floor
>
>
> In article <37ED9D54.CDF25D90@goulburn.net.au>, Alecto
> <alecto@goulburn.net.au> wrote:
> > "Psyconutt@mindless.com" wrote:
> > >
> > > so now this has turned into a pissing contest bob?
> > >
> > Yep ,and you've forgotten to open your fly.
> > > geee if i wanted to brag mate i coukd tell you i
> > have been
> > > running my own business by the time i was 23 and
> > well on
> > > track of owning what you have now + more  ( except
> > the guns
> > > ,  have no need for them, and i can send my kids to
> > school
> > > in saftey)
> > Methinks that bullshit has lost something in the
> > 'translation'.
> > >
> > > what i just said was meaningless too you?..
> > See ,you don't understand it either.
> > > well thats how
> > > everyone would feel about your POSSESSIONS, who
> > cares  this
> > > is a herp discussion group  not a pissing contest
> > Yep ,it's a bit one sided for a pissing contest.
> > >
> > > What i have lern from life bob, is i might be good..
> > but
> > > there is always someone beter
> > You said it.
> > Alecto.
>
>
>
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Michael Curry <mcurry@bigpond.com> wrote in
message news:88UJ3.3355$lE.18552@ozemail.com.au...

> I have been snowed under at work for the past 2 weeks and have
> not be reading newsgroups, our server only keeps 3 days worth also.

> Does someone have messages from the
> start of this thread that they could forward me?

The best way around that problem is to use deja.
www.deja.com/viewthread.xp?AN=528256177.4

> I was wondering what started it off.

A right rave on by some complete loon who wants to
keep exotic snakes. Exotic in the sense of non native.

> Being an Aussie, I thought there may be some relevant, interesting info?

I doubt it |-)

Changed to a public server and got the first messages. So please ignore my
previous post.

Your correct though. It was not worth the effort. I'll be suprised if
anything rational comes out of this one.

It gave me a few good laughs though.

Michael.

Rod Speed <rod.speed@usa.net> wrote in message
news:7t93ba$ka6$1@news1.mpx.com.au...
>
> Michael Curry <mcurry@bigpond.com> wrote in
> message news:88UJ3.3355$lE.18552@ozemail.com.au...
>
> > I have been snowed under at work for the past 2 weeks and have
> > not be reading newsgroups, our server only keeps 3 days worth also.
>
> > Does someone have messages from the
> > start of this thread that they could forward me?
>
> The best way around that problem is to use deja.
> www.deja.com/viewthread.xp?AN=528256177.4
>
> > I was wondering what started it off.
>
> A right rave on by some complete loon who wants to
> keep exotic snakes. Exotic in the sense of non native.
>
> > Being an Aussie, I thought there may be some relevant, interesting info?
>
> I doubt it |-)
>
>
>