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Article #2575Re: Are you sure?
From: Kanad Chakraborty
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:44
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:44
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In article <6670016@hplsla.hp.com> barryg@hplsla.hp.com (Barry Gunn) writes: >>>You meet the daughter of a friend of yours on the street. You know that your >>>friend has two children. You think to yourself, "Ignoring the occurrence of >>>twins, and sex-linked differences in birth rates and infant mortality, what >>are >>>the odds of this girl's sibling also being a girl?" >>>-----------------+------------------------------- >>Two child families are uniformly distributed between MM,MF,FF,FM, in birth >>order. Again, all four possibilities are equally likely. Stop here. Make >>sure you believe that. >> >>Now, since at least one is F, the MM drops out, leaving MF, FF, FM, so that >>there is only a one third chance that the sibling is a girl. > >But you meet the F on the street. So MF and FM are the same in this case >(but not the way the problem is usually stated). I say 50%. I disagree. I made this mistake once myself and promptly realized the flaw. Why don't you consider this metaphor : you have these teeming billions of sibling-pairs in the Earth (yeah, I mean all continents, islands, places hitherto undiscovered or unknown, etc. etc. taken together ad nauseam :-) ) ? Now, it's quite easily seen that FF pairs comprise only 25 % of _this_ population (assuming that the birth events of a pair of siblings are independent, thereby precluding identical twins, etc.). 50 % of this population will comprise MF sibling pairs, and the remaining 25 %, MM pairs. Now, you the witness of one of a pair of siblings, are a Martian and have just floated down on the earth from Mars on a spaceship, on a special invitation from Presidents Clinton and Yeltsin, and see one female member of a pair of siblings, who has been sent by her Dad to receive you. You have had numerous inter-planetary conversations with her Dad (mostly on new and exciting ways of proving that P equals NP :-) ), and know that he has two children, but you've never asked him their sexes. Now without any other info, it's a fair assumption that you'll encounter sibling pairs on the Earth in proportion to their relative frequencies of occurrence. Hence, the female sibling you encounter is twice as likely to be a part of a mixed sex pair than of an FF pair. Hence, the other sibling being a female has probability 1/3. Hope it helps. Kanad
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Newsgroups: rec.puzzles Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!tcsi.com!iat.holonet.net!news.cerf.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!caen!umeecs!quip.eecs.umich.edu!kanad From: kanad@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Kanad Chakraborty) Subject: Re: Are you sure? Message-ID: <1993Jan26.204422.15093@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Sender: news@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Mr. News) Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor References: <1993Jan22.131719.36@janus.arc.ab.ca> <6670016@hplsla.hp.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:44:22 GMT Lines: 44