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Started by padmanab
Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:02
Dividing apples
Author: padmanab
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:02
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:02
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Hi Netters,
Here is a SIMPLE problem I came acroos long ago.
I am posting it because I think it has a wonderful
solution.
Suppose there are 25 identical apples. How many
ways can you divide them among three people? Also,
all the apples must be divided among them.
EXAMPLE: person 1 person 2 person 3
-------- -------- ---------
1 20 4
5 0 20
HAVE FUN!
-Prasad Padmanabhan
Dept. of ECE
University of Massachusetts
Amherst MA 01003
Re: Dividing apples
Author: Brian Cash
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:51
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:51
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<SPOILER> (maybe...)
Is it 351? I figured it this way:
Call the number of apples given to person 1 N, person 2 X, and person 3 Y.
Now if N = 25, then X and Y must both equal 0. (1 solution)
If N = 24, then {X=1,Y=0} and {X=0, Y=1} are valid. (2 solutions)
If N = 23, then {X=1, Y=1}, {X=0, Y=2}, {X=2, Y=0} are valid. (3 solutions)
If N = 22, then there are 4 solutions.
If N = 21, then there are 5 solutions.
...
If N = 0, then there are 26 solutions (run X from 0 to 25 and Y is
forced to a value).
So the total number is 1+2+3+4+...+26 or 351.
I'm rather math-impaired, so I would like to know 1) is this right? 2)
what is a
more "scientific" way of finding the answer.
Brian /-|-\
Re: Dividing apples
Author: J. Theodore Schuerzinger
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:33
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:33
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There is a formula (Ramanujan's Formula, I believe), that lets you figure out the number of ways you can divide a number -- ie. the number of different ways you can make a series of numbers that adds up to the number in question. I don't know the formula offhand :-) and I don't know how useful it would be for this particular question, however. --Ted Schuerzinger email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU "I should have realized it would be bad vodka when all the label said was 'Russian Vodka'."
Re: Dividing apples
Author: C.M. Hicks
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:47
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:47
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bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash) writes:
><SPOILER> (maybe...)
>Is it 351? I figured it this way:
I think so, and I worked it the same way. I'm now trying to find a general
solution for dividing Q apples among P people - I'll post if I find one.
>Call the number of apples given to person 1 N, person 2 X, and person 3 Y.
>Now if N = 25, then X and Y must both equal 0. (1 solution)
>If N = 24, then {X=1,Y=0} and {X=0, Y=1} are valid. (2 solutions)
>If N = 23, then {X=1, Y=1}, {X=0, Y=2}, {X=2, Y=0} are valid. (3 solutions)
>If N = 22, then there are 4 solutions.
>If N = 21, then there are 5 solutions.
>...
>If N = 0, then there are 26 solutions (run X from 0 to 25 and Y is
>forced to a value).
>So the total number is 1+2+3+4+...+26 or 351.
Christopher Hicks
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Re: Dividing apples (SPOILER)
Author: Tim Adam (c/o Jacinta)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:48
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:48
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>From: padmanab@ecs.umass.edu
>Here is a SIMPLE problem I came across long ago.
>I am posting it because I think it has a wonderful
>solution.
>
>Suppose there are 25 identical apples. How many
>ways can you divide them among three people? Also,
>all the apples must be divided among them.
In article <C1E5Du.D3B@news.rich.bnr.ca> bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash) writes:
>Is it 351? I figured it this way:
> (etc...)
>I'm rather math-impaired, so I would like to know 1) is this right? 2)
>what is a more "scientific" way of finding the answer.
The really nice way that I think the poser refers to is to think
of picking two distinct numbers from 0 to 26 inclusive.
Call the smaller x and the larger y.
Then the first person gets x apples, the second y-x-1 apples,
and the third 26-y. Note the most anyone can get is 25, the least 0,
and the total is also 25.
The number of ways of doing each of these things is the same.
27
In this case, it is C or 27x26/2 or 351.
2
This also generalizes easily, e.g. dividing 30 apples among 5 can be
34
done C ways.
4
Incidentally, I first came across this problem when studying quantum
mechanics, which was the last place I expected to see combinatorics.
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Tim Adam, B.Sc./B.E.(Elec) student, Melbourne University, Australia
Ph: (03) 807 3279 E-mail: tmadam@ee.mu.oz.au
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