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Started by byron elbows
Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:54
sphere packing
Author: byron elbows
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:54
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:54
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I need help on a sphere packing question. Suppose you have a white ping
pong ball, and 13 red ones, all the same size. Can you glue all of the red
ping pong balls to the white one? In other words, is it possible to place
13 unit spheres around one unit sphere, so that each of the 13 is touching
the central sphere, and none of the 13 intersect each other?
It is a simple matter to do it with 12. Simply place the spheres at the
corners of an icosahedron centered at the center of the white ping pong ball.
It turns out this leaves some extra room for spheres to be moved around, but
is it possible to move them around so that another sphere can be squashed
in there?
In the meantime, I leave you with two simpler questions:
1. Suppose you pick a number at random from 0 to 1. Assume uniform
distribution (ie, pdf = 1 from 0 to 1). Clearly, that number is
not going to be greater than 1. Now you pick another number at
random from 0 to 1. The probability that the sum of these two
numbers is greater than 1 is simple to calculate; it is 1/2. If
it is greater than 1, stop; otherwise, continue picking numbers
at random until the accumulated sum is greater than 1. Derive the
average number of picks required. (What is the answer if the
distribution is arbitrary?)
2. Suppose I have a deck of cards numbered from 1 to 100. You and I
are dealt two hands of 50 cards each, randomly, from the deck. We
both sort the cards in increasing order. In the first round, we
both play our first card; the player with the higher card wins
one dollar, and the two cards are discarded. This routine is
repeated for our second card, third card, etc. What is the
probability that I win this warped version of War by a score of
50 to nothing?
byron elbows
(mail to brian@cs.ucla.edu)
Re: sphere packing
Author: J. Theodore Schuerzinger
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:39
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:39
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In article <1993Jan26.235433.18005@cs.ucla.edu> byron elbows writes: > I need help on a sphere packing question. Suppose you have a white ping > pong ball, and 13 red ones, all the same size. Can you glue all of the red > ping pong balls to the white one? In other words, is it possible to place > 13 unit spheres around one unit sphere, so that each of the 13 is touching > the central sphere, and none of the 13 intersect each other? > > It is a simple matter to do it with 12. Simply place the spheres at the > corners of an icosahedron centered at the center of the white ping pong ball. > It turns out this leaves some extra room for spheres to be moved around, but > is it possible to move them around so that another sphere can be squashed > in there? You're asking a question about the 'kissing number'; that is, the greatest number of objects that can be touching another object of the same size. For two dimensions (ie. circles), the kissing number is 6, and for three dimensions (spheres -- the question you ask), it's been proven that the kissing number is 12. Therefore, there is no way to move those twelve spheres to make a 13th one touch the center sphere. Sometime within the last year (sorry I don't have the exact date!) Scientific American ran a piece about the kissing number in its math column. --Ted Schuerzinger email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU "I should have realized it would be bad vodka when all the label said was 'Russian Vodka'."
Re: sphere packing
Author: David Karr
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:25
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:25
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In article <1993Jan26.235433.18005@cs.ucla.edu> byron elbows writes: >I need help on a sphere packing question. Suppose you have a white ping >pong ball, and 13 red ones, all the same size. Can you glue all of the red >ping pong balls to the white one? [...] > >It is a simple matter to do it with 12. Simply place the spheres at the >corners of an icosahedron centered at the center of the white ping pong ball. >It turns out this leaves some extra room for spheres to be moved around [...] This remark caused me to wonder what is the diameter of a sphere circumscribed about an icosahedron of side 1. (Presumably it's less than 2, so that the above works.) It would be nice if there were a simple, painless answer to this, but I couldn't think of anything that didn't involve lots of trigonometry. Does anyone know a very simple method to compute this? By the way, you also get 12 spheres around a central one if you use either hexagonal or cubic close packing, in which 6 of the spheres lie in one plane (along with the center sphere) with centers at the vertices of a regular hexagon. In this configuration all the surrounding spheres just barely fit in around the central one with no "wiggling room," but it's easy enough to verify by diagram that the configuration works. -- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
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