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Started by Capt Scott (retired)
Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:27
12 bolt puzzle HELP!
Author: Capt Scott (retired)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:27
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:27
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I was told a puzzle recently and it is driving me spare. I have a feeling it is probably standard puzzle so if anyone can help me .... This is it:- You have 12 bolts, totally identical except 1 is either lighter or heavier. Using a balance-scale 3 times find the Dud. Any help appreciated Scott -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Gilhooly |The only thing more dangerous than | Glasgow University |a programmer with a screwdriver is | gilhoosg@dcs.gla.ac.uk |a user with an idea |
Re: 12 bolt puzzle HELP!
Author: Jumping Bean
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:30
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:30
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Capt Scott (retired) writes: >I was told a puzzle recently and it is driving me spare. >I have a feeling it is probably standard puzzle so if anyone >can help me .... > >This is it:- > You have 12 bolts, totally identical except 1 is either >lighter or heavier. Using a balance-scale 3 times find the >Dud. > >Any help appreciated >Scott > >-- >----------------------------------------------------------------- > Scott Gilhooly |The only thing more dangerous than | > Glasgow University |a programmer with a screwdriver is | > gilhoosg@dcs.gla.ac.uk |a user with an idea | Wow. We just discussed this today in my Winter Study course at Williams College - puzzle solving. I think it may be a FAQ, but here's our solution: Let the numbers 1 - 12 represent the 12 bolts: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Divide into three groups of four: (1 2 3 4) (5 6 7 8) (9 10 11 12) Weigh (1 2 3 4) vs (5 6 7 8). If they weigh the same, then bolts 1-8 weigh the same, so one of 9-12 weighs more or less than the others. Weigh (9 10 11) vs (1 2 3) (normal weight). If it weighs the same, then 12 is the odd bolt, and you can easily find out if it is heavy or light using the last weighing. Otherwise, 9, 10, and 11 is either heavier or lighter than 1, 2, and 3, and the odd bolt will be heavier or lighter correspondingly. Weigh 9 vs 10. If they are equal, then bolt eleven is odd (and you know if it is heavy or light) otherwise, you know from weighing 9 vs 10 which is not normal, since you know if the odd one is heavy or light. Now, assume that (1 2 3 4) does not balance (5 6 7 8). We may assume WLOG that (1 2 3 4) is heavier. Thus, either one of (1 2 3 4) is too heavy, or one of (5 6 7 8) is too light. Weigh (1 2 5) vs (3 4 6). (Note that (1 2 5) is essentially the same as (3 4 6) - 1, 2, 3, 4 *might* be too heavy, 5, 6 *might* be too light) If they balance, then either 7 or 8 is too light. In this case, weigh 7 vs 8, and the lighter of the two is the odd one. Otherwise, assume WLOG that (1 2 5) is heavier than (3 4 6). Then either 1 or 2 is too heavy, or 6 is too light. Weigh 1 vs 2. If one of them is heavier, it is the odd bolt, and is too heavy, otherwise 6 is too light. Sorry if this is too complicated, but it is complete (I'm convinced, at least) and it even tells if the odd bolt is too heavy or too light (Ooh, Aah :-) I hope this helps. -Chris -- - Chris Kollett Christopher.S.Kollett@williams.edu WUFO - 1992 Division II Champs!
Re: 12 bolt puzzle HELP!
Author: Frank Pinto
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:30
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:30
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Scott This is a typical "terniary" type of puzzle. Here are some hints: Divide the bol groups of 4. weigh group 1 against group 2 either they balance or not. If they balance, your problem is over (find group 3 and discover the wrong bolt) If they don't: look at this: group1= b1,b2,b3,b4 group2= b5,b6,b7,b8 group3= b9,b10,b11,b12 Well if group 1 does not balance with group 2, then group 3 has all "good" bolts. Now...... do the following: weight the bolts: b9,b1,b2,b3 against b4,b5,b6,b7 remember "b9" belongs to the group which has all the "balanced" bolts. well 95.9% of the problem is ssolved. enjoy it Frank Pinto
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