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5 total messages Started by Loren Petrich Mon, 28 Nov 1994 02:53
My Trip to Sacramento
#3895
Author: Loren Petrich
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 02:53
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	Yesterday, as I write this, I took a trip to Sacramento, CA, and 
this is how it went:

	The day before, I went by BART bus and BART to Berkeley to check
into a hotel for the night; there being no bus service from Livermore on
Saturday that would enable one to get to Richmond in time for an 8:00 AM
train.

	The BART bus took me from Livermore to BayFair (that Friday, the
local buses were running a Saturday schedule, but the BART buses were
running a weekday schedule), and I saw some more of the construction, at
least before the bus turned north at the I-238/I-580 interchange. They're
digging out the area for the East Dublin/Pleasanton station platform 
(they'll want several staircases and escalators), and the Castro Valley 
station's platforms are starting to take shape.

	I got up OK that day, and went to the Amtrak station at Richmond. 
The grade separation just south of it was compete, and traffic was now 
running on that road. I wonder which other East Bay streets will get 
grade separations; Cutting Blvd. a little south of the BART station is a 
good candidate.

	The train going to Sac'to was a F40 pulling (in order) two 
Horizon coaches, one Horizon snack bar, and two CalTrain cars. I sat in 
the CalTrain car and had a wonderful view from a height.

	I wondered what evidence there was of the promised trackwork: 
welding the rails and rebuilding the second track of the south-of-Sac'to 
causeway, neither of which was much in evidence.

	At Sac'to, I had a curious un-train-related snafu: I was short on 
money, so I had to get cash with my credit card. _All_ the banks were 
closed (you'd think that at least _one_ would stay open for the 
weekend-tourist business), one check-cashing place had a broken computer, 
so I ended up walking a long way to another such place with a working 
computer -- about 20 blocks!

	On the way, I walked parallel to the Sac'to UP line and I walked 
under the Bee Bridge Sac'to LRT el -- single track and very non-obtrusive.
I returned by bus -- one of Sac'to's natural-gas buses, complete with 
rooftop tanks.

	With the money, I pigged out on two slices of pizza, among other 
things, and I make a copy of a Key System map (from Harre DeMoro's book). 
It was sad to see how that system had been allowed to die. If it had had 
reserved medians along much of its routes, it might have survived.

	At the California State Railroad Museum, they had their steam 
loco pulling their excursion train.

	Returning, the train had the same consist as before (there are 
two Capitol trainsets; that day that had identical consists), with one 
exception -- the locomotive. It was one of the new "Amtrak California" 
locomotives, with a streamlined shape, a new paint job, and the logo

	  <--
	<-- --> Amtrak California
	  <--

And it was a _lot_ quieter than an F40. When my trip ended at Richmond, I 
watched the train leave the station, and the loco's engine revved up like 
a freight loco's would.

	There were _none_ of the new California Cars, however. I intend 
to go back to Sac'to June next year, and I look forward to riding those 
new cars.

	I got an issue of California Rail News, published by the advocacy 
group Train Riders Association of California (TRAC), and it featured some 
flaying alive on Caltrans for being preoccupied with simply hiring more 
consultants to do studies when they ran into problems. Why couldn't they 
do some of the work themselves, instead of shuffle papers?

	One of the problems mentioned was the seats, which will 
reportedly be very narrow, just to allow wheelchairs in the aisles. All 
because of trying to comply with the Americans with Disabilities act. An 
interesting twist: a fat person is suing under the ADA, claiming that the 
seats would be too uncomfortable for her.

	My own preferred solution would be to have the new CA Cars 
contain the following arrangements: An area on the lower level for 
wheelchair-bound people, but with folding seats so as to accommodate 
those who can walk if some of the space is not being used by 
wheelchair-bound people. Food? An attendant can bring some. The lounge 
area? It will probably be easier for someone to _carry_ a 
wheelchair-bound person to a lounge area. Maybe a stretcher would do :-)
It's people, and not vehicles, who have to move. Vehicles are only a 
means to an end, and are sometimes superfluous.

-- 
Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster
petrich@netcom.com                   Happiness is a fast Macintosh
lip@s1.gov                           And a fast train
Re: My Trip to Sacramento
#3892
Author: Bill Michel
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:12
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Loren Petrich (petrich@netcom.com) wrote:


: 	My own preferred solution would be to have the new CA Cars 
: contain the following arrangements: An area on the lower level for 
: wheelchair-bound people, but with folding seats so as to accommodate 
: those who can walk if some of the space is not being used by 
: wheelchair-bound people. Food? An attendant can bring some. The lounge 
: area? It will probably be easier for someone to _carry_ a 
: wheelchair-bound person to a lounge area. Maybe a stretcher would do :-)
: It's people, and not vehicles, who have to move. Vehicles are only a 
: means to an end, and are sometimes superfluous.

The space you posit would also be usefull in carrying *bicycles*, since
the "official" bicycle spaces on the new CalCars are few in number (2-4,4,4,4,
I believe). Experience from CalTrain shows that demand for bicycle
carriage is likely to exceed this paltry number.

--
Bill Michel			
bm@eng.sun.com		These views are my own, not Sun's.
CA Car Seating and the ADA (was Re: My Trip to Sacramento)
#3893
Author: Loren Petrich
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 1994 13:12
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In article <3bibp3$eni@engnews2.eng.sun.com>, Bill Michel <bm@Sun.COM> wrote:
>Loren Petrich (petrich@netcom.com) wrote:

	[BTW, the loco that pulled my train home was a F59PHI, one of 
California's new ones...]

>: 	My own preferred solution would be to have the new CA Cars 
>: contain the following arrangements: An area on the lower level for 
>: wheelchair-bound people, but with folding seats so as to accommodate 
>: those who can walk if some of the space is not being used by 
>: wheelchair-bound people. ...

>The space you posit would also be usefull in carrying *bicycles*, since
>the "official" bicycle spaces on the new CalCars are few in number (2-4,4,4,4,
>I believe). Experience from CalTrain shows that demand for bicycle
>carriage is likely to exceed this paltry number.

	I agree 100%. In fact, I find it curious that the folding-seat 
solution has not been adopted earlier. My direct experience with folding 
seats with the the local buses here in Livermore; they've been very 
successful. Also, a new order of BART cars will have folding seats near 
the doors; I hope that they install folding seats on the older cars, 
which have had some seats removed to provide wheelchair space.

	There seems to be plenty of buttheadedness all around; in the
transit industry (why aren't folding seats more common?) in the design of
the Americans with Disabilities act (why not fund what is demanded by that
law?), and in the litigation around it.

	Somehow, I suspect that the reason that the CA Cars' seats are so 
narrow and the aisles are so wide is an effort at covering rear end by 
those afraid of lawsuits under the Americans with Disabilities Act -- 
that the handicapped lobby might sue them if the new cars are not 
accessible enough to those with wheelchairs. However, the fat lobby (for 
lack of a better term) might start suing about narrow seats...

-- 
Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster
petrich@netcom.com                   Happiness is a fast Macintosh
lip@s1.gov                           And a fast train
Re: CA Car Seating and the ADA (was Re: My Trip to Sacramento)
#3890
Author: Frank Kronberg
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 03:17
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>
>	Somehow, I suspect that the reason that the CA Cars' seats are so 
>narrow and the aisles are so wide is an effort at covering rear end by 
>those afraid of lawsuits under the Americans with Disabilities Act -- 
>that the handicapped lobby might sue them if the new cars are not 
>accessible enough to those with wheelchairs. However, the fat lobby (for 
>lack of a better term) might start suing about narrow seats...
>
>-- 
>Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster
>petrich@netcom.com                   Happiness is a fast Macintosh
>lip@s1.gov                           And a fast train
>


It seems to me that the bad seating design might be simply a Governor-Wilson-
inspired-attempt to make the seating as uncomfortable as possible, thereby
impairing the goal of increased passenger rail transportation for California,
so the Governor's highway lobby can have an easier time of building
more 16-lane concrete rivers.
   (check the last few issues of various California railfan mags for details)
-- 
Frank Alexander Kronberg      Center for Extreme Ultraviolet Astrophysics
kronberg@cea.berkeley.edu     University of California Berkeley 94720-5030
kronberg@garnet.berkeley.edu  EUVE launched by NASA 7 June 1992
kronberg@uclink.berkeley.edu  Four Telescopes Map 70-912 Angstroms
Re: CA Car Seating and the ADA (was Re: My Trip to Sacramento)
#3891
Author: Eric Child
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 07:37
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In article <3cgfbn$e51@agate.berkeley.edu>,
kronberg@monterey.cea.berkeley.edu (Frank Kronberg) wrote:
> It seems to me that the bad seating design might be simply a Governor-Wilson-
> inspired-attempt to make the seating as uncomfortable as possible, thereby
> impairing the goal of increased passenger rail transportation for California,
> so the Governor's highway lobby can have an easier time of building
> more 16-lane concrete rivers.
>    (check the last few issues of various California railfan mags for details)

I would be interested in your sources. I have written a few letters to
CALTRANS and others on this topic and have tried to follow it closely.
Everything points to requirements of the ADA as forcing the seating
changes. I know TRAC tried to push a big CALTRANS conspiracy theory but
the facts don't seem to be there to support their position.  Hopefully
this disasterous law can now be repealed or at least amended so that it
serves as a basis for recomendations rather than lawsuits.

Even so, the new seating should be more comfortable (IMHO) than the
existing AMTRAK seating on the Capitols and San Joacqins. Has anyone seen
or ridden in one of the new cars yet?  I understand one was in Los Angeles
last Monday
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