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In <40303@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman) writes:
>
>Unless I'm mistaken, the new Oakland Amtrak station, when
>completed, will be just a few blocks from the pier where
>the Oakland/Alameda <==> San Francisco ferry lands
>(Jack London Square).
>
>I can foresee some problems, but it would be possible to
>replace the bus connection to SF (currently from Emeryville)
>with a ferry ride.  Would avoid the bridge traffic and
>be a lot more fun I'd think.
>
>Does Amtrak use ferry connections anywhere currently?

According to Amtrak schedules there is a ferry connection to
Vancuver island from the Coastal Starlight

-jussi

In article <40303@dog.ee.lbl.gov> b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman) writes:

[suggesting that Amtrak provide a ferry, rather than bus, connection
 between San Francisco and the new Oakland rail terminal]

>Does Amtrak use ferry connections anywhere currently?
>
>No, I don't think this will happen (ferries aren't timed
>with trains as buses are and are too infrequent for
>starters)--just idle speculation.

In Vancouver, British Columbia, the SkyTrain (elevated heavy rail) and
SeaBus (ferry) are well-integrated.   I think you can even buy a 
single ticket that's good on both--at least you could in 1986, when
I last visited there.

Don't a lot of people transfer from New Jersey Transit Arrow trains
to the ferry at Hoboken?
-- 
Ron Newman		 		MIT Media Laboratory
rnewman@media.mit.edu

In article <1994Jul22.164319.23705@news.media.mit.edu>,
Ron Newman <rnewman@media.mit.edu> wrote:
>In Vancouver, British Columbia, the SkyTrain (elevated heavy rail) and
>SeaBus (ferry) are well-integrated.   I think you can even buy a 
>single ticket that's good on both--at least you could in 1986, when
>I last visited there.

They're both part of BC Transit, which also has about 800 buses to
serve the lower mainland (Vancouver metro area) of British Columbia.
The buses, Skytrain, and Seabus have an integrated fare system.

jeremy

rnewman@media.mit.edu (Ron Newman) wrote in article <1994Jul22.164319.23705@news.media.mit.edu> :
>In article <40303@dog.ee.lbl.gov> b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov (Bruce Nordman) writes:

(Ferries timed with 
Bruce Nordman wrote:
>>No, I don't think this will happen (ferries aren't timed
>>with trains as buses are and are too infrequent for
>>starters)--just idle speculation.

I think this depends on the implementation.  Surely there could be an
Amtrak, or anything else, timed ferry.  The Oakland/Alameda ferries
aren't timed with anything else at present except their own feeder
buses, I believe.

The problem with ferries, although I like them, is that they are much
slower than land-based transit where there is a land route.  Ferries
are good where much time will be saved by making the crossing in a
place where trains can't cross.  This is why Harbor Bay to SF, Vallejo
to SF, Alameda to SF runs are good ideas.  (It's unfortunate that the
slip on the *west* side of Alameda Island can't be used instead of the
one on the east side, away from San Francisco.  Still, it does make
the Oakland-SF ferry run possible, something that almost certainly
couldn't stand on its own -- BART is faster.)

Too bad, though -- I've been waiting for the SF-Alviso ferry for a
while now...

>In Vancouver, British Columbia, the SkyTrain (elevated heavy rail) and
>SeaBus (ferry) are well-integrated.   I think you can even buy a 
>single ticket that's good on both--at least you could in 1986, when
>I last visited there.

SkyTrain is elevated *light* rail -- the cars are smaller than even a
SF Muni Metro car.  And the SeaBuses are more like rafts with motors than
what I'd think of as a ferry.

 =Aaron=
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In <aaronrpCtDoov.F3E@netcom.com> aaronrp@netcom.com (Aaron Priven) writes:

>The problem with ferries, although I like them, is that they are much
>slower than land-based transit where there is a land route.

At least one of the SF ferries switched to a multi-hull configuration, with
significant improvements in speed (and fuel efficiency).  I hope a ferry
commuter is reading and might comment on this, since I've never had an
opportunity to use it myself--I only saw it on the news.

						Andy

Bruce Nordman (b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov) wrote:

: Unless I'm mistaken, the new Oakland Amtrak station, when
: completed, will be just a few blocks from the pier where
: the Oakland/Alameda <==> San Francisco ferry lands
: (Jack London Square).

I was just there a month ago.  I *think* you might be talking about the 
new station in Emeryville (sp?)??  From what I understand, that's a BART 
station as well.  I guess you'll be able to hop off one rail and onto 
another to get into SF.

justpat@phantom.com (Agent of Change) writes:
> new station in Emeryville (sp?)??  From what I understand, that's a BART 
> station as well.  I guess you'll be able to hop off one rail and onto 
> another to get into SF.

No.

The Emeryville Amtrak station does not have a BART station anywhere nearby.

Richmond, a few miles north of Emeryville, has a joint Amtrak/BART station.

-- 

Adrian Brandt (415) 940-2379
adrian@ntmtv.com

In article <1994Jul26.171932.21613@ntmtv> adrian@ntmtv.com (Adrian Brandt) writes:
>justpat@phantom.com (Agent of Change) writes:
>> new station in Emeryville (sp?)??  From what I understand, that's a BART 
>> station as well.  I guess you'll be able to hop off one rail and onto 
>> another to get into SF.
>
>No.
>
>The Emeryville Amtrak station does not have a BART station anywhere nearby.
>

Nor does it have any transit access.  The closest you can get is about 1200' 
upon which you have to walk from a Powell Ave. bus stop under an overpass to
get to the station.  Currently, those of us who do not have
a car have to go either to Richmond or Berkeley.  The old Oakland stop at
16th and Wood (?) does have a bus that connects it with BART, but that
station should be closing in a few because of the cypress reconstruction 

Kenya Wheeler

In article <3120tq$r04@dockmaster.phantom.com>,
Agent of Change <justpat@phantom.com> wrote:
>Bruce Nordman (b_nbca@icarus.lbl.gov) wrote:
>
>: Unless I'm mistaken, the new Oakland Amtrak station, when
>: completed, will be just a few blocks from the pier where
>: the Oakland/Alameda <==> San Francisco ferry lands
>: (Jack London Square).
>
>I was just there a month ago.  I *think* you might be talking about the 
>new station in Emeryville (sp?)??  From what I understand, that's a BART 
>station as well.  I guess you'll be able to hop off one rail and onto 
>another to get into SF.

There is no BART service in Emeryville. And the new Oakland station is
not the same as the new -- operational -- Emeryville station.

Richmond has combined BART/Amtrak service, but does not have full
Amtrak services, such as checked baggage.



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In article <1994Jul22.164319.23705@news.media.mit.edu>,
Ron Newman <rnewman@media.mit.edu> wrote:
#Don't a lot of people transfer from New Jersey Transit Arrow trains
#to the ferry at Hoboken?

some do -- others usually go to the PATH rail system or take the 
bus into the city from Hoboken.

#-- 
#Ron Newman		 		MIT Media Laboratory
#rnewman@media.mit.edu
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Adrian Brandt (adrian@ntmtv.com) wrote:

> The Emeryville Amtrak station does not have a BART station anywhere nearby.

> Richmond, a few miles north of Emeryville, has a joint Amtrak/BART station.



Correct.  But also: you risk your life transferring from BART to Amtrak 
at Richmond.  The Richmond BART station platform gets occasional 
gunfire.  This is not a joke.  I urge caution.

-- 
sandy santra                                        trevor@netcom.com
el cerrito, california                              trevor@well.sf.ca.us

Adrian Brandt (adrian@ntmtv.com) wrote:
: justpat@phantom.com (Agent of Change) writes:
: > new station in Emeryville (sp?)??  From what I understand, that's a BART 
: > station as well.  I guess you'll be able to hop off one rail and onto 
: > another to get into SF.

: The Emeryville Amtrak station does not have a BART station anywhere nearby.

: Richmond, a few miles north of Emeryville, has a joint Amtrak/BART station.

That's it. I meant Richmond.  I simply misspelled it as Emeryville.