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Article #1444A contribution for the FAQ: SHOES
From: Thomas Page
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:00
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:00
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Here is a summary of shoe reviews gleaned from various places including manufacturers' adds, Road Runner Sports catalog, Runner`s World, Running Times, rec.running postings, and my own experience. I will post and update occasionally. Guide to Categories ------------------- Basic: A good quality shoe for a beginning through mid-mileage runner. Lightweight trainer/racer: Typically under 10 ounces. Very light, very fast, biomechanically gifted runners can wear these shoes as daily trainers. Other runners may get away with using these as a second pair for racing in or for track workouts. These shoes usually have blown rubber soles for light weight so they wear out too quickly for an everyday training shoe for most of us. MC: (Motion Control) Made for over-pronators and heavier runners. Stability: For neutral runners and mild over-pronators. Offers some resistance to pronation and supination. Racing flat: Most people should race in their regular trainers or lightweight trainers. For people who can get away with it, racing flats might buy them a few seconds in a 10k. If that is the difference between 1st and 2nd, it is probably worth it. If it is the difference between 38:04 and 38:14 it is probably not worth the risk of injury. These shoes have very little stability, cushioning, or durability, but they tend to weigh 2-4 oz. less than a lightweight trainer. Construction ------------ If you remove the insole, you can tell the type of construction. Slip Lasted shoes have a sewn seam running the length of the shoe. Board lasted shoes have a cardboard board running the length of the shoe. Combination lasted shoes have cardboard in the rear half, and a seam up the front half. Slip lasted shoes are the most flexible. Board lasted shoes are the most stable and least flexible. Combination lasted shoes attempt to compromise giving a flexible forefoot and a stable rear. Orthotics wearers should stick to board or combination lasted shoes. True over-supinators (these are rare) should use flexible slip lasted shoes. Another way to look at it: if you have a rigid foot (tends to be high arched feet), favor flexible (slip laste) shoes. If you have a floppy foot (tends to have flatter feet and overpronate), favor combination or board construction. Last ---- The last is the form the shoe is made on. Lasts vary from curved, to semi-curved, to straight. Straight lasts are generally the most stable shoes, while curved lasted shoes tend to be the most flexible. You just have to see what last from what manufacturer fits your foot. Stores ------ A good running shoe store is essential. The sales people at the sporting goods chain stores and the mall shoe stores just don't know their products or how to fit runners, despite advertising to the contrary. A real runner's store should allow you to run in the shoe on the sidewalk outside the store, or at least on a tread mill in the store and watch you run. They should be able to tell you if you over-pronate in a particular shoe. The advice you get in a good store is worth the price (full retail) you pay. Don't be a jerk and pick the brains of a good running shoe store salesman and then buy at a discount place. If you value their advice, buy a pair of shoes from the specialty running store so they will still be in business the next time you need them. Then, if you liked the pair you bought, go ahead and buy it from a discount store or mail order place in the future; you don't owe the store your business forever. Remember though, that models change, and you will want to go back to the good store every few years. Notes: ------ Weight is typically listed for mens' size 9 as quoted by manufacturer and found either in Runners World, Running Times, or Road Runner Sports catalog. Different sources differ in the weight they report, often by as much as an ounce. I have not been consistent about which source I use here so you may find a discrepancy with a source you consult. M.C. stands for Motion Control (i.e. a shoe for over-pronators). ************** SHOE REVIEWS ************* ADIDAS ------ Torsion Integral M.C. 12.5oz. Combination, straight $100 ($69sale). Seriously solid stable shoe for runners with moderate pronation problems; too cushioned for heavy runners or severe over-pronators. Torsion Advance Lightweight 10oz. Board, semi-curved $75 ($54). Good option if you are a mild overpronator, but want a lightweight second shoe. Torsion Cross 12.5oz. Combination last, semicurved. Oregon Ultra Tech Lightweight $75 ($49sale). Similar to Advance but less stable. Marathon Training II Off road $75($49 sale) Oregon Classic Lightweight, 9.0oz Board last, semicurved. $56 ($42 sale). The old classic Addidas running shoe that has been around for 20 years. Response Class Stability, 11.2oz.slip lasted, slightly curved, $80 ($65), Not for extreme overpronators. Equipment Cushion Stability 12.9oz.(RW says 10.6oz.) Slip lasted, semi-curved. $100($80sale (though also seen for $39)). Stable durable shoe for high mileage and big runners. Not for severe overpronators. Equipment Guidance Stability 11.4oz. Combination lasted, curved. $100($80sale). For forefoot runners and underpronators. Equipment Support M.C. 11.9oz. Combination, slightly curved. $110. This shoe is for overpronators who want a lighter shoe with softer (EVA midsole) cushioning. Good for all but severe over pronators. Note: the previous Support model had a polyurathane midsole and was a heavier shoe for bigger runners. ASICS ----- GT II Compromise lightweight/stability/MC. 11.5oz. Combination, semicurved $100/$89. Good basic middle of the road shoe. GT Cool X M.C. 11.5oz Combination, semicurved. $125($100). Not for under-pronators or heavy runners. Cool-max liner. GT-Express Stability, 12.0 Combination, semicurved.$135/$89. For mild over pronators. Gel MC M.C. 13.0 Combination, semicurved. Heavy duty motion control for heavier runners. Gel-Lyte III Lightweight 10.3oz. Combination, semicurved $65/$49. Runs half size small. Flexible and soft cushioning for over supinators. Gel-Lyte Speed Lightweight. 9.6oz. Combination, semicurved. Runs half size small. Gel-Lyte Ultra Lightweight 9.0oz. Combination, semicurved. Runs small. Not for over-pronators. Mono-tongue. Gel-120 Basic/stability 11.5oz. Slip last, semi curved. $70. Fine basic trainer. Replacement to the popular Gel 111. Gel-Exult Lightweight trainer, mild motion control, 10.2oz. Combination last, semicurved. $100 ($75sale). Runs 1/2 size small. Fairly soft cushioning. Good compromise for people who need a little more motion control than the other lightweights provide. Mono-tongue. Gel Elite Racer Racing flat. 8.0oz. Combination, curved. $80. Fast flexible racer for those who can get away with it. More stable and cushioned than most racers, but then heavier too. AVIA ---- 3000 Lightweight trainer, 9.8oz. Slip-lasted, curved. $100. Quite flexible, not for over-pronators. Stretch fit upper similar to Nike Huarache. 2080 M.C. 12.6-13.2oz. Combination, semicurved, $105. Very well cushioned. 2070 Stability/MC, 12.0oz. Combination, semicurved,$90. Major control and durability shoe for heavy runners. 2045 Stability, 10.8oz. Combination, semicurved, $79($59). Flexible for fast runners and over supinators. Not for severe over-pronators. Pretty light for a stability shoe. 2030 Basic/Stability, 11.5oz. Combination, semicurved. $60($45). Stable and firmly cushioned. Good for mild overpronators and heavy runners. NEW BALANCE ------------ 1500 MC and Stability, 12.3oz. Slip lasted, semi-curved. $169 Just about the most expensive running shoe made. It fits and feels great but I would never spend this much for a running shoe. 998 (women's) M.C. 9.5oz. Slip-lasted, straight. $105 Major motion control. 997 MC and stability, 12.5oz. Slip lasted, semi-curved, $100+ ($79sale) The 99x series has been one of the most popular enduring lines for years. Very stable, very well cushioned. Great for heavier runners. 900 Lightweight trainer, 9.9oz. Combination last, semi-curved $100($69sale) Discontinued (replaced by 860) but still available and on sale. Better durability, stability and motion control than most light weight trainers. Some people could wear this as a daily trainer. 860 Lightweight trainer, 9.8oz. Slip last, slightly curved. $80. Replacement for 850 and 900, it is lighter, more durable and more stable. A good good choice in light weight shoe for those who need a more stable shoe. 850 Lightweight trainer, 9.8oz. Slip last, semi-curved. Discontinued $90($59 sale). Typical lightweight trainer. More flexible than 900. 680 (women's) MC, 10.6oz Combination, slightly curved. $85. Major motion control and durability. Firmer midsole than 998. 678 MC, 11.9oz. Combination last, straight. $85. Most recent entry in New Balance's most popular line of shoes (676,677,678). Very durable, well cushioned, and stable. Great for high mileage and heavier runners. Wider toe-box than almost any other shoe reduces blisters and other problems for some. 677 see 678. Discontinued and so on sale ($49). 580 MC 12.9-13.7oz. Combination last, straight $96. Very tough shoe for heavy runners. Firmer cushioning resists breakdown by those who are very hard on midsoles. Good trail shoe too. 520 Stability, 11.5oz. Combination, semi-curved $78. Not for severe overpronators. Good basic shoe. 480 Stability, 11.1oz. Board last, semi-curved $66. Fine basic shoe. BROOKS ------ Beast M.C. 13.5oz. Slip last, semicurved. $115. Tough, durable shoe for heavier runners. All of Brooks' high technology is in this shoe: Propulsion Plate System, HyrdroFlow in heel, diagonal rollbar for stability. Fusion M.C. 11.5oz. Slip last, curved $130($89). Carbon fiber "propulsion plate". Mojo Stability. 11.8. Combination, semicurved (RW says straight) $75($58). Firm midsole. Good value. Decent motion control and great durability. Kona Coast Lightweight. 9.0oz. Slip last, curved. $104. Chariot HFX Mild motion control. 12.0oz. Combination, semicurved. Soft cushioned. Chariot HF 13.0oz. Combination, semicurved. Chariot Classic Basic 11.0oz. Combination, semicurved. $75($40). A long time favorite and ancestor of most Brooks shoes. Chariot PPS M.C. 10.6oz. Board (Road Runner Sports says combination), semicurved. $78. Classic chariot fit plus the propulsion plate, hydro-flow cushion pad and roll bar. Good motion control and lighter weight than most M.C. shoes due to blown rubber outsole (less durable). Good price for so much technology. Fission Stability 11.7 Slip, semicurved. $125. High tech successor to Fusion. Not for heavy runners or extreme over pronators. Avalon Stability (women's shoe) 9.4oz. Combination, semicurved. $80. Banshee Basic 11.0oz. Slip, semicurved $62($46). Good value if you don't need motion control. Magnum DR Lightweight 10.1oz. Combination, semicurved. $95. All of Brooks' high tech features in a lightweight package. Good motion control for a lightweight. SAUCONY -------- note: most Saucony shoes fit narrow in the heal and wide in the forefoot. Grid 9000 MC. 13.2oz. Slip lasted, semi-curved. $115. A tough shoe for heavy runners and severe overpronators. Grid 8000 Lightweight/stability 10.7oz. Slip lasted, semi-curved. More flexible, for over-supinators. Grid Control SL M.C. $100. Firm durable midsole. Grid Lite SD Lightweight. 9.7oz. Slip lasted. $105/$74. Lycra upper for snug fit. Good stability for a lightweight. Azura ST Lightweight 10.5oz. Slip, curved $85($49) Azura STS Lightweight 10.5oz. Slip, curved $85($64). Not for over- pronators. Shadow 6000 Stability. 12.2oz. Slip, semicurved. $88($60) Shadow 5000 Stability, slip, simicurved $80($60) Bangor Basic 11.2oz. Combination, slightly curved. $60. Good value for entry level shoe. Jazz 3000 Basic. $74($45) Top rated by consumer reports for what that's worth. Soft cushioning. Jazz 4000 Basic $75($55) Continuation of popular Jazz line. Ok for mild overpronators. Procyon Basic/Stability, 11.5oz. Slip, straight. $80. Ok for mild in the lightweight category. International Control Stability. 12.3oz. combination, slightly curved. $78. Similar to Jazz series but a little more stable. U.L.T.F. Racing flat. 7.5oz. Slip last, curved.($60) ETONIC ------ StableAir Guard M.C. 13.5oz. Combination, straight. $115. Heavy duty trainer for large runners. Air unit in heel and forefoot in polyurethane (firm) midsole. Very stable and solid. Street Fighter Basic 11.5oz. Slip, semicurved. $65($66). Ok for mild pronators. Separate lasts for men's and women's models. StableAir Lite Lightweight, 9.8oz. slip, curved. StableAir Base Basic, 10.8oz. Combination, semicurved. $58($45). Air unit in heel only. EVA midsole. Soft cushioning. StableAir Speed Racing flat. 7.2oz. Slip, semicurved $60($50). Stab.A. Pro II M.C. 12.2oz. Slip, semicurved. $80($60) Another durable high mileage shoe for extreme overpronators. Less stable than the Guard, but much less expensive, and more than an ounce lighter. REEBOK ----- Bolton Basic, 10oz. combination, semicurved. $65. Good buy for all but severe over-pronators and underpronators. The equivalent of the Nike Pegasus in Rebok'z line. Pump GraphLite Stability, 10.5oz. combination, semicurved, $120. The pump helps some people with difficult fit problems. Otherwise, it is a lot of money for a gimmick. A fine shoe, but the Graphlite is the same shoe without the pump, and $30 cheaper. GraphLite Lightweight, 9.5oz. Combination, curved, $90. Same as Pump GraphLite only without the pump, which makes it a much better buy. Cut away midsole with graphite bridge. Good trainer/racer. Pyro Basic/Stability, 10.4oz. Board lasted, semicurved.. $55. Not for over-pronators. Great buy. Aztrek Stability. 10.8oz. slip lasted, semicurved, $70. Pretty light. Ventilator Supreme M.C. 11.8oz. Combination, straight, $90. For heavy runners who need major motion control. Not to be confused with the Ventilator which is a lightweight shoe. Inferno Lightweight, 8.9oz. slip, curved, $75. Like most trainer/racers, not stable or durable enough for everyday, but a fine second shoe for high speed training and races. NIKE ---- Air 180 Stability. Air Max ST M.C. 12.1oz. slip last, slightly curved. $115. Air Max Stability, 11.4oz. slip last, semicurved, $110. Well cushioned shoe for heavy runners and heel strikers. Not for forefoot strikers or severe over-pronators. Pegasus Basic 10.8oz. slip-last, curved $70. Enduring favorite. Good stability for all runners except sever over-pronators. Icarus Extra Basic 10.6oz. slip, slightly curved. $60. Good value in entry level shoe. More cushioning but less control than the Pegasus. If you over pronate, stay away. Air Alpha Lightweight, 9.2oz. slip, curved. $95($69). Same last and midsole as Huarache, but with conventional upper. Runs half size small. Verona (women's) Stability, 9.1oz. slip last, slightly curved. $105. For mild over pronators. Great daily trainer if you you don't need more control. Same last as Athena, but firmer mid-sole. Athena Stability (women's version of Anodyne), 8.5oz. Slip, slightly curved. Blown rubber outsole is less durable than the carbon rubber in the Anodyne. Huarache Lightweight trainer, 9.5oz. slip last, curved $110($95). Radical looks. Unconventional lycra upper and plastic heel strap. Very soft cushioning. Only for fast, efficient runners. Some will love its fit, others will hate it. Runs a half to whole size small. fit, others will hate it. Skylon II Lightweight/stability, 10.4oz. Slip, curved. Flexible shoe for fast runners/racers. Not for heavy runners or severe over-pronators. Anodyne Stability, 10.5oz. slip-last, slightly curved. $85. Quite light for so stable a shoe. The large external stability device bothers some people. MIZUNO ------ Controller II M.C. 11.1oz. Combination, semicurved $78. For mild over- pronators who want a blend of control, stability, and cushioning. Not for extreme overpronators. HST-60 Lightweight 9.0oz. slip, curved. $60. Perhaps the best buy in the lightweight category. HST Stable M.C./Lightweight, 10.0oz. slip last, semicurved, $95. One of the best lightweights for people who need some motion control. -- ----------------------------- ------------------------------- Thomas W. Page, Jr. email: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu 3531 Boelter Hall day: 310 206-8696 Department of Computer Science evening: 310 398-1830 University of California Los Angeles, 90024-1596
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