Re: Vote NO on Prop Eight

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From: Bill Z.
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:31

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LeRoy Blue <leroyblue@billon.net> writes:

> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:35:20 -0700, nobody@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill
> Z.) wrote:
>
>>LeRoy Blue <leroyblue@billon.net> writes:
>>
>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:19:07 -0700, nobody@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill
>>> Z.) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Nope - the California Supreme Court is more likely to be right about
>>>>it, where "it" was the question of "whether a domestic partnership
>>>>conveys the same rights as marriage".  Our system of goverment does
>>>>not ensure that the voters make good decisions or wise decisions,
>>>>and certainly not optimal decisions.
>>>
>>>
>>> The majority rules by way of the content of the states Constitution.
>>> Live with it.
>>
>>Try to answer what was said, not something you just made up.
>>
>>The majority has no right to rule on what is factually right or wrong:
>>if the majority decides that the value of pi is 3.2 (which apparently
>>the Indiana state legislature once tried to do and almost got it
>>passed - http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jlawler/aux/pi.html), Euclidean
>>geometry will not change.  Nor will the laws of physics.
>
> Fallacy; the refuge of the defeated.

Wrong - not a fallacy at all.  We were discussing facts, not voter
decisions, nor whether some marital arrangement is acceptable to
people.

BTW, I'd say exactly the same thing regardless of whether I was in
favor of Proposition Eight or opposed to it: domestic partnerships
simply are not legally equivalent to marriage for the reasons the
California Supreme Court stated, and that is what was being
discussed.

I might also add that there are any number of reasons to vote no on
Proposition Eight regardless of one's opinion about same-sex
marriages.  One reason is that Proposition Eight would insert text
into Article I, Section 7 (the new text being in Article I, section
7.5) that is simply out of place.

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