🚀 go-pugleaf

On Dec 4, 3:46 pm, nob...@nospam.pacbell.net (Bill Z.) wrote:
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>
> Hey moron, I gave you a link to the study with all the details.
> It is obviously the per-sex act rate when one of the two is
> infected.  That's what the probability of transmission per sex
> act means.  The link was
> <http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/epiu-aepi/epi_update_may_04/13-en...>
> (curiously, instead of reproducing it you snipped part of it so that people
> wouldn't be able to follow it when you misquoted my text).
>
> It starts with the statement, "The risk of HIV transmission through
> unprotected anal and vaginal intercourse is well known. Estimates of
> the probability of per-sex-act (receptive penile-anal intercourse with
> ejaculation) HIV transmission among homosexual men in the USA range
> from 0.005 to 0.03 during the asymptomatic phase of infection1 to as
> high as 0.1-0.3 during primary HIV infection.2"
>
> Also "Analyses of data from North American and European studies of
> long-term heterosexual couples estimate the per-sex-act probability of
> HIV transmission through penile-vaginal intercourse to be
> approximately 0.001.3"
>
> Also "One study calculated the per-sex-act probability of HIV
> transmission in a cohort of men who have sex with men (MSM) and
> determined that for unprotected receptive anal intercourse, the
> probability was 0.82% per act, for unprotected insertive anal
> intercourse 0.06%, and for unprotected receptive oral intercourse with
> ejaculation 0.04%.4 This remains the only study available that
> provides a probability for oral transmission, and further study is
> required to corroborate these estimates."
>
> Note that "1" after "infection", "2" after "infection", "3" after
> "0.001.", and  the "4" after "0.04%." are footnotes.
>
> The citations those footnotes provide are:
>
>   1  DeGruttola V, Seage GR III, Mayer KH, Horsburgh CR.
>      Infectiousness of HIV between male homosexual partners. J Clin
>      Epidemiol 1989;42(9):849-56.
>
>   2 Jacquez JA, Koopman JS, Simon CP, Longini IM Jr .
>     Role of the primary infection in epidemics of HIV infection in
>     gay cohorts. J Acquir Immune Defic Syndr 1994;7(11):1169-84.
>
>   3 Mastro TD, de Vincenzi I. Probabilities of sexual HIV-1 transmission.
>     AIDS 1996;10(Suppl A):S75-S82.
>
>   4 Vittinghoff E, Douglas J, Judson F et al.
>     Per-contact risk of human immuno-deficiency virus transmission
>     between male sexual partners. Am J Epidemiol 1999;150(3):306-11.
>
> Now, look at the titles of those citations.  When someone says
> "Per-contact risk of human immuno-deficiency virus transmission" it is
> obviously taking about the per sex act risk of transmitting the virus
> when the virus is present.
>
> If you can't read well enough to understand that, there is really no
> point in talking to you.

This was your last attempt to substantiate your claim.
You failed ;-)

>
> > I know what your point is, I'm just not going to let you get away
> > with a purposerful misinterpretation like this.
>
> It isn't a misinterpreation, and your lies won't change that. See above

Lies? Why would I lie? You're the one with an agenda :-)

>
> > You accused me
> > of minimizing the danger of heterosexual transmission of HIV.
> > Is it not worse to allege the probability of contracting HIV from
> > a positive sex partner through anal intercourse is only 0.8%,
> > when it actually is somewhere between 10 and 30%?
>
> You did minimize the risk for heterosexual transmission when you
> said that transmission was "entirely" due to a "specific sex act".
>
> <rest ignored - this guy is an idiot.>

The volume of you usenet posts over the last nine years
attests to your disposition for feeding your ego by having
the last word regardless of the subject, or the level of your
knowlege. I don't really feel like wasting more effort to feed
your degenerate needs.