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Article #147Re: How Can I Avoid Jury Duty in Oakland?
From: ameijers
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:36
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:36
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"Sharx." <sharx35@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Hlf89.395$397.53254@news1.telusplanet.net... > > "Scott Helms" <shelms1@charter.net> wrote in message > news:756bd789.0208190618.23782b0c@posting.google.com... > > "Sharx." <sharx35@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:<zHo69.26431$X5.4290233@news2.telusplanet.net>... > > > > > > It's disgusting that some people put such a low value on citizenship. I > > > guess you don't vote either--since no one pays you for your time and > > > mileage. > > > > > > What about drafting 18 year-olds for 3 years of forced community > > service? You could use the exact same argument for that. Forced > > community service = a responsibility of citizenship. > > I think that it would be an excellent idea. It'd harden up our youth. > I apologize in advance for promoting thread drift, and restarting a topic that has probably been done to death here, but: Involuntary servitude is wrong and immoral per se. It also doesn't work. Forced community service, just like the thankfully gone military draft, produces resentful workers at a high cost, and not much useful work. Nobody who doesn't wanna be there is gonna bust their hump any more than they have to, to survive. (WWII is the exception that proves the rule- people could see an overriding reason to serve, there.) Now, on the other hand, if you make it a quid pro quo (like the military has with scholarship money and signing bonuses), it is a different matter. I have no problem with linking government college money to public service hitches, like the various teacher and doctor programs over the years forunder-served areas. That wierd TV show Northern Exposure was loosely based in fact- they did have some sort off 'rural doctor' program a few years back. But it has to be voluntary. aem sends...
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 107518,49e347cf0e6b9d88 X-Google-Attributes: gid107518,public X-Google-Thread: f6c48,49e347cf0e6b9d88 X-Google-Attributes: gidf6c48,public X-Google-Thread: 11582c,49e347cf0e6b9d88 X-Google-Attributes: gid11582c,public X-Google-Thread: 106595,49e347cf0e6b9d88 X-Google-Attributes: gid106595,public X-Google-Thread: f824f,49e347cf0e6b9d88 X-Google-Attributes: gidf824f,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-08-19 18:36:17 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "ameijers" <aemeijers@worldnet.att.net> Newsgroups: sbay.general,ba.general,ba.consumers,misc.consumers,misc.consumers.frugal-living References: <309e7c98.0208091319.2baa4b6b@posting.google.com> <756bd789.0208130246.bab8e16@posting.google.com> <1fgugvf.1yoxfc91sls0reN%karen.wheless@verizon.net> <756bd789.0208131055.26365deb@posting.google.com> <7e922d36.0208131940.1c5eca00@posting.google.com> <zHo69.26431$X5.4290233@news2.telusplanet.net> <756bd789.0208190618.23782b0c@posting.google.com> <Hlf89.395$397.53254@news1.telusplanet.net> Subject: Re: How Can I Avoid Jury Duty in Oakland? Lines: 41 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <k2h89.20665$Ke2.1672901@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 749111806931e61ccd4105cee14ea76e X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1029807376 749111806931e61ccd4105cee14ea76e (Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:36:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:36:16 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:36:16 GMT