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Started by R.J.Sullivan
Thu, 07 Jan 1993 21:33
Helicopter Aerodynamics
Author: R.J.Sullivan
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 21:33
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 21:33
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I would be very grateful for any recommendations of textbooks which discuss the aspects of aerodynamics which are pertinent to helicopters. I am looking for something along the lines of John Anderson's excellent series in general aerodynamic theory but specific to rotary wing aircraft. Thanks in advance, Dr Rob Sullivan -- - - - - Robert Sullivan JANET : sullivan.rj@uk.ac.exeter Theoretical Physics Dept. UUCP : sullivan.rj%exeter.ac.uk@ukc.uucp University of Exeter BITNET : sullivan.rj%exeter.ac.uk@UKACRL Stocker Road Internet : sullivan.rj%exeter.ac.uk@cunyvm.cuny.edu Exeter Tel : +44 392 264198 Devon EX4 4QL, UK Fax : +44 392 264111 "One must be open-minded -- --but not so open-minded that one's brains fall out."
Re: Helicopter Aerodynamics
Author: Mike Elgersma
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 18:53
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 18:53
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In article <C0Hsnv.Cz9@cen.ex.ac.uk> RJSulliv@cen.ex.ac.uk (R.J.Sullivan) writes:
>I would be very grateful for any recommendations of textbooks which
>discuss the aspects of aerodynamics which are pertinent to helicopters.
"Rotary-Wing Aerodynamics," by W. Z. Stepniewski and C. N. Keys, Dover, 1984.
This book contains the following two volumes bound as one:
Volume 1: Basic Theory of Rotor Dynamics (With Application to Helicopters),
by W. Z. Stepniewski, 1979.
Volume 2: Performance Predictions of Helicopters,
by C. N. Keys, edited by W. Z. Stepniewski, 1979, 1981.
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Mike Elgersma
elgersma@src.honeywell.com
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Teach-Yourself-AERO books etc.. (was Re: Helicopter Aerodynamics)
Author: Roger Hall
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 01:37
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 01:37
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Greetings from down-under, I am an engineer working in communications/software engineering with a love of sailing. I have been teaching myself aerodynamics relevant to sailing for my own interest/hobby/pastime etc.. In article Cz9@cen.ex.ac.uk, RJSulliv@cen.ex.ac.uk (R.J.Sullivan) writes: [...] >helicopters. I am looking for something along the lines of John >Anderson's excellent series in general aerodynamic theory but specific ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I agree, I have been working through John Andersons ' Intro to Aero' book (I forget the exact title) and have found it to be superbly written. However, the library I have access to doesn't seem to have any other texts by JDA so that I was unaware of other texts that go into more detail (by him). Specifically, I'm interested in subsonic, finite wing, thin foil analysis in order to optimise my yacht performance subject to class constraints (this is a long term goal). Do the other texts in John Anderson's series cover detail on such aspects, particularly numerical techniques on finite wing panel/vortex lattice... methods for Navier-Stokes and/or Euler-Lagrange problems? Are there other methods I should consider? Are there any aero experts who wont be too bored by sub-sonic flow stuff to steer me in the right direction? Indeed, is there anyone who shares similar sailing theory interest and has already done all this? Then there's the hydrodynamics stuff.. Anyone know about wave-making drag on hulls! Thanks in advance, regards Roger. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger L. Hall _--_|\ #include <std/disclaimer.h> Network Services & Signalling / \ Email: r.hall@trl.oz.au Telecom Research Laboratories \_.--.x/ Fax: +61 3 253 6362 Melbourne, Australia. v Phone: +61 3 253 6187 --------------------------------------------------------------------
Re: Teach-Yourself-AERO books etc.. (was Re: Helicopter Aerodynamics)
Author: Terry A. Ghee
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 21:18
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 21:18
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Roger, Have I a book for you. Unfortunately, its at home. The title is Sailing Aerodynamics and Hydrodynamics. Don't have the author or publishers. It seems fairly new, costs 59.95 and is quite good (well, I just got it at bookstore in Boston over X-mas and have only perused it so far, but it seems quite good :-)). I'll try to write down the info. and bring it in Monday. If you want the rest of the info. write back, because I'll probably forget to send it if you don't remind me. Terry Ghee
Re: Teach-Yourself-AERO books etc.. (was Re: Helicopter Aerodynamics)
Author: Terry A. Ghee
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:40
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:40
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From Dan Sharpes who could not post this: Just to close the loop on this continent, I've attached the response I sent Roger on Saturday: While Anderson's text (I'm not familiar with his series) is a good introduction to the subject, I believe it is not at all helpful in creating an algorithm to do the analyses you desire. I used Bertin & Smith's "Aerodynamics for Engineers" (1979, Prentice Hall, Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey) as a starting point for my Master's thesis on v-tail aircraft aerodynamics. Bertin & Smith pick up where Anderson leaves off on page 267 (1984 printing), and expands Anderson's equation 5.76 into a comparitively easy-to-follow planar wing analysis, complete with a sample problem the student can work through. I used this as the starting point for my work (which involved looking at a wing in three dimensions). Once I got the three-dimensional equations right, the rest was comparitively easy. Similarly, the equations in B&S should be fairly straight forward to program (I used FORTRAN 77). The Navier-Stokes and Euler-Lagrange codes are not only way over my head, but they could be overkill on the sail design aspect of your problem. I believe they would be most appropriate for looking at the hull design. The trouble, as I see it, with these codes is the vast amount of time required to mathematically define the hull. Also, the type of workstation required to interpret the results graphically place it far out of my league. HOWEVER, I have a friend who may know the individuals who supported the America's Cup competitor from your part of the globe a few years back (please pardon my spelling!! the Kokabora II, was it?) If you like, I could try to find the names of the individuals involved. Anyway, good luck and all success to your ventures! Dan Sharpes Note: Dan asked me to send this to you as his net bounced him. I found the author of the book I have and it is a guy by the name of Marchaj. A previous poster didn't like this reference much, but I still think its a good text. The publishing company is International Marine Press, Camden, Maine, USA. Good luck.
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